Ferrari Classiche Question - Chairs and Flares

I don't have this in writing, but I was looking at getting certification for my Dino as well, and was told they want to see it "as it left the factory".

So a later addition of chairs/flares (or anything else) that was not done by the factory will not be certified. Since these cars command a higher price it would be unfair for Ferrari to certify a later addition as authentic.

I'm worried about my electronic ignition. May need to remove that and go back to Dinoplex, even though you can't see it and it's a major improvement. They are pretty strict.

 

Hello Shawn,

I have seen some Ferrari Classiche certifications where the certification was issued even with some stuff being not original. In these cases, the wrong ignition system for example, it is mentioned in red letters as not being original.
I have also seen certifications, where Ferrari didn`t recognized the Dino had a wrong body front.... or the other way around where a correct steering wheel was marked in red as not being original.....

Options like chairs and/or flares normally isn`t mentioned in the certification at all...
My original chairs and flares #06856 has a Ferrari Classiche certification without confirming these options, nor the factory radio. I had to ask for a separate confirmation letter... obviously at extra costs.... ;-)

Options aren`t listed in the certification.

Regards Matthias

Regards Matthias

 

Not exactly sure about body alterations, but have seen an incorrect item where they accept your payment for Classiche services and complete the Classiche book.

In 2009 I got a chance to see a Classiche Certification for a Dino - this was the first that I had viewed. The owner pointed out that the engine was incorrect and a line near the back of the bound Classiche book had a box checked "No" on the line "original engine". Classiche still took his payment and fully produced the Classiche hard bound book.

Gut the Dinoplex and install Ahlbin's method (see threads here) so it looks period correct yet has modern electronics.
Permatune sells a turn key, stock looking unit too

 

Don't want to offend anyone but I think this whole Ferrari Classiche certification if a crock and a money grab by Ferrari. Wouldn't mean a thing to me if I were buying a Dino. I would value the opinion of someone who has restored or repaired Dinos for a long time over the Classiche certification. I think vetting a Dino I was going to buy on this forum would hold more water for me than the Classiche certification. Maybe we should start the FerrariChat certification program with a nice official looking book and for a lot less $$$!

 

very much straight to the point, you will be better off your way ;-)

 

Well said and I will add that I think that buyers who place a premium on or require a Classische generally know very little and are interested in a trophy more than a car to use and enjoy. Furthermore I have recently learned quite a lot about this farce and find that Ferrari is really leveraging its 'the factory knows best' perception to flog money out of the uninitiated.

 

The Classiche business model seems cribbed from the 1973 movie "The Sting." Fred

 

When in Maranello, was told that my Dino could only be 'properly' restored by their dept. just as a Rolex should be in Switzerland, and that, in so many words, El Salvador was not even a country.
My son had to contain me from laughing out loud to the gentleman's face.

Regards, Alberto

 

Alberto, By declining the services of Ferrari Classiche, you have disproved the old P.T. Barnum maxim: "There's a sucker born every minute." Bravo! Your craftsmen are every bit the measure of anything the Factory has to offer, and then some. Fred

 

Just how many have they done? I think Moto Technique in England has done more Dino restorations than any other shop extant.

 

Nick Cartwright (UK) will have done a few too.

 

I got your back, El Salvador certainly IS a country!!!!

I had the most beautiful friend here, who was from there.
Sadly she is no longer with us, leaving only her lovely daughters and grand children..

You are definately a country....LOL!

 

Hooray for common sense, if they were that worried about Dino's they would start making parts available.

 

By the way, the cost for the program was quoted to me as close to $5,000. This includes a swarm of pictures taken by the dealer (I believe 500) of various parts of the car. They then forward these pics to Maranello. Don't know about you but I'm not wasting $5,000 on this "program", although apparently all the valuable 250's are getting them in hopes of a higher sales price. But those cars are in the millions of $$ (except the GTE and a few others), so it might be worth it for them.

On another note, I just came back from Italy and spent the day at Maranello taking the "factory tour". What a load of crap. The museum is nice, but the tour consisted of loading a bunch of us on a bus, taping over the lenses on our cell phone cameras, telling us we were going to "see things in the factory" that they did not want anyone taking photos of, and as part of the tour, going to the Fiorano track.

Well we drove up and down a few streets, the guide pointed out different buildings where she said interesting things were going on (but of course we couldn't actually go into any of these buildings-we couldn't even get off the bus). Then a quick run to the tail end of the track where we saw some nice weeds but no tarmac, then back to the start. Everyone was fuming over this "factory tour" (and it is described that way in their marketing literature-they give you a distinct impression you are going inside the factory). Don't waste your time or money if you go. Try and set up a real factory tour with your dealer. This was a surprise trip so I couldn't do that. And it wasn't cheap. My son was very disappointed. Looks like Ferrari will do anything to make a couple of extra bucks.

 

Thanks for the heads up on this, i have heard this before that the tour was rubbish.
I personally didnt go on the factory tour as i ran out of time in the museum, far better and had to be kicked out because it was closing!!
Tony

 

I have only had two factory tours, both in the "old days," and both personally escorted by Brenda Vernor, Mr. Ferrari's personal assistant. On the first tour, in 1982, I saw just about everything, including the foundry. On the second, in 1988, about one month after Mr. Ferrari's death, and with FIAT firmly in control, my camera was taken from me for the duration of the tour, and Brenda was required to carry a document attesting to my authorized presence within the factory grounds. In addtion to being a much briefer tour, a lot of the fun was gone. I felt like an interloper, suspected of hatching an industrial espionage plot. Brenda was visibly upset, but maintained her British reserve. When she eventually retired in 1993, the last vestige of the Old Man's reign was unfortunately gone. Fortunately, Brenda and I remain the best of friends. She was and is among the best that is Ferrari. Fred

 

solly,
that definitely is not a factory tour. did you book it thru a tour agency? which one?
you should have been able to see the cars on the line being built.
ed

 

Exactly. With Mercedes Benz, you can still get parts for long ago gone cars of theirs, in their version of Classiche.

 

Cause to be concerned over this, which is why something as valuable as the Dino register is of paramount importance.

Those that have converted their cars, fine, but dont push them off as "original" It dumbs down the real ones.

I have one of the 21 UK imported RHD 246GT - i would like it to stay that way

 

Shawn, I do agree....
but the Ferrari Classiche certification doesn`t meantion any factory options....
If one of my Dinos had options, I ordered a separate confirmation for the options....
chairs: "Daytona Type Seats"
flares: "Optionals Wheels 7 1/2 x 14"
Regards Matthias
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