Ferrari copied Toyota for the Enzo

they look similiar but i think that has more to do with being designed via wind tunnel

 

The first rule of good design is "Form follows function."
I don't know much of either car, but if the same folks were involved in both, then there should be a similarity in some respects. All good designers, be it cars or chairs or whatever, have a discernable individual style to all of their work.

 

all of these cars look similiar to me

I think the bentley speed 8 slots in between the gt1 and enzo looks wise. Lotus gt1 look similar. I can see where you see the resemblance particularly in the cockpit but just cant see enough that isn’t explained by wind tunnel outcomes

 

To my eye, there are many prototype/GT1, etc type cars that look very similar. The wind tunnel development does favor certain types of design parameters. If you go back as far as T70's, MK6BGT's, P3/4 coupes, they all show general similarities to the prototype/super-performance cars of today.

 

Maybe a little. For more information on this car (or any LeMans cars) go here: (once there click on the photos for more info)

http://www.mulsannescorner.com/gtone.html

http://www.mulsannescorner.com/vortexlift.html

Main Page: www.mulsannescorner.com

To be honest the GT1 was about as far from a road based car as has ever been raced at LeMans. There's a good article in either the last Race Car Engineering or Race Tech (my memory isn't working right now) to that effect. This car was so fast that at tracks where both the LeMans cars and F1 cars ran it's lap times would have put it in the middle of the F1 field! And that's with an engine that I'm sure was no where near as powerful as they were running in F1 at the time.

I know everyone hates the new two race F1 engine rule but at the time that this car came out the ACO was trying to get F1 engine makers into the LeMans game and had about the same engine specification. At that time it really didn't work. All the engines, although close to F1 engines, were no where near as powerful As the F1 engines are being made to live longer I'd love to see that rule come back around. That'd be a great thing to see and hear!

 

What, no law school today...?

 

I don't think so... I don't think it's a direct copy from the Toyota. The Enzo design resemble the front nose of the formula one car and the side from the LeMans GT car. All GT cars and F1 cars look pretty similar. Not necessary the Toyota GT...

 

the GT-One was designed by Andre de Cortanze, who designed the Le Mans-winning Peugeots in the early '90s (Jean Todt's team), and later designed the Toyota F1 development car prior to Toyota entering F1 for real. It's not surprising that the Enzo looks similar, because the same laws of aerodynamics apply to both cars and the GT-One set some new standards for air management in a race car.

 

wow dude whoever thinks that ferrari (FERRARI) copied a japanese company for design, at the very very very least, shouldnt be on f-chat. italian copying japanese for design? i cant even think of an analogy but thats effing insane. i know that the Enzo's designer is japanese (pretty sure, but i know hes asian), but designed many other cars as well (612 scag, porsche boxter and 996, c5 vette, camaro, bmw 6 series), so he didnt copy a toyota design.

basically, that thought is stupid. to say the least

 

Nah, the Speed 8 is one of the best looking race cars of all time (IMHO). A shame that they've not further developed it, but I guess VWAG wanted the Audis to keep winning the hardware.

I've seen the Toyota at their museum in Tokyo, very different in shape to the Enzo when you see it in carbon fiber. I want to say it is a bigger car, too.

 

Agreed, I love the Audi R8 coupe, too.

I don't think the Enzo looks anything like the Toyota except the color. The only thing similar other than color could be the nose shape, but the Enzo's looks a lot more like the Ferrari F1 cars than the Toyota.

 

cough cough same car cough cough.

 

I don't think Ken Okuyama (the designer of Enzo) copied Toyota. That's like saying the Enzo design is copied from Ford Pinto, since they both have four wheels.

Ken is one of the nicest person I've ever met, and I think he is a true genius in automotive design (I think he also does furniture designs).
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lmao thats great.

Patrick, do you know the sn of Ken's Enzo?

 

That's not Ken's Enzo.

 

Thats the whole problem right there. It wasn't an Italian that designed the car.

 

i agree i actualy meant visualy it slots in between the two, it (somewhat) has the enzo cockpit and nose and the gt1's for lack of a better word sides/wheel arches

 

Great way to avoid a question, Patrick...

 

the cutouts around the wheels of the GT-One were one of that car's innovations, basically repeated by Tony Southgate on the Bentley. As for the cockpit, the idea is just to reduce frontal area & (in the case of the GT-One) allow airflow to the rear wing, and with common goals, you'll get a common shape... basically looking like half a teardrop when viewed from the top or the side.

the first Bentley (Exp Speed 8) really looked like a GT-One copy in British Racing Green. the second one (Speed 8, the Le Mans winner) pushed the design further, by chopping down the roofline, using the Audi-style rear wing endplates, tighter bodywork, etc.

 

The 2001 Bentley was an "evolution" of the Audi R8C. And it is a little known fact that the 2000 prototype (never raced) was much closer to the Audi.

Actually, it was the fourth Bentley (2003 version) that won Le Mans.

And I am pretty sure Peter Elleray was the designer of all 4 versions.

2000 - prototype (not raced)
2001 - 2 cars at Le Mans
2002 - "evo" version, 1 raced at Le Mans
2003 - last version, Sebring and Le Mans