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Ferrari Engine Developments for 2021

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  1. Sig. Roma

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    Depressing video. Depressing comments from the repulsive team principal.
     
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    Yes, it was a depressing video:: handwaving jestures at best, dead giveaway at worst.
     
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    I’ve been reading in the F1 app tonight about all the changes Ferrari are making to the car and the team. I hope Carlos and Charles are eating their Wheaties...they are going to need them.
     
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    Why?
     
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  10. Mitch Alsup

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    Whenever one "redesigns" something as complex as the turbo+MGU-H there are craploads of "new engineering/mechining things" that show up only after thousands of miles--miles one cannot get with the current testing regimine.
     
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    I wouldn't be surprised to find that some production car mules/development cars have F1 drivetrains or major pieces thereof.
     
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  13. Bas Jaski

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    I'm genuinely astounded why Ferrari hasn't claimed they're doing an LMP car still. Hell they could do it with a V8 engine as the complicated bits are the MGU-H and turbo. They could be doing 10s of thousands of laps and no one can say a word.
     
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    Not that it makes any difference for 2021.....
    but in 2022, Ferrari says its made a radical change in engine design and has made the PU more compact thereby making the car more aerodynamic.
     
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    I hope so. Ferrari really needs to become more competitive again.
     
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    One has to welcome that news with caution.
    McLaren wanted to go that way during their partnership with Honda, asking the Japanese engineers for a really compact PU to make their car slimer.
    After a couple of years, it was found that the tight fit of some components was the cause of multi engine failures, because of the heat generated.
    When Red Bull started working with Honda, they didn't impose any packaging and let them develop their PUs the way they saw fit.
    Bingo, the Honda engines stopped breaking, and even became reliable enough to manage a few wins!
     
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    Understood but the relationship between Mclaren and Honda was'nt a very good one when compared to the relationship between Toro Rosso and Honda. Mclaren wanted to do things their way---> "Here's our car, make the engine fit!!" while at Toro Rosso their philosophy was "Make the engine how you see fit, and we'll build the car around it."

    2 vastly different approaches and the Toro Rosso (RedBull) worked for Honda while the Mclaren approach did'nt.

    Ferrari makes its own PU and does'nt rely on anyone else.

    Anyways, here's the article on the 2022 Ferrari engine radical design

    Ferrari considering radical F1 engine concept for 2022

    Ferrari is considering a radical new engine concept for its 2022 Formula 1 project that could feature a design never seen in the sport before.

    As the outfit prepares for the all-new era of F1, there are suggestions from Maranello that part of its plan includes a total overhaul of its engine.

    The Italian team was caught on the back foot last year when a series of technical directives from the FIA regarding fuel flow measurements led it to suffer a power drop.

    The lack of competitiveness on the horsepower front, allied to an overly draggy car, resulted in Ferrari enduring its worst season in F1 for decades.

    Ferrari is working on an upgraded engine for 2021 which it hopes will allow it to cut the deficit to the benchmark Mercedes power unit. However, even more ambitious work is being done for next year.

    According to sources, Ferrari is ready to take a risk on an innovative engine that, if it works, could prove to be a game-changer in the sport.

    The work is the result of efforts put in by Wolf Zimmermann, who has been entrusted with thinking up the concept for the power unit that will power the new era cars.

    One change that looks set to be adopted is for Ferrari to go down the Mercedes route of separating the compressor from the turbo - an layout that Honda also switched to several years ago.

    Both elements on the Ferrari are currently on the gearbox side of the engine, but from next year the two elements will be either side of it - connected by a shaft.

    But beyond that philosophical change, it is also understood that Ferrari is looking at taking the idea one step further - and bring the compressor actually inside the 6-cylinder intake box with an all-new arrangement for the intercooler.

    Such a revolutionary change would not only bring with it performance gains, but would also open up more aerodynamic opportunities having made the overall engine layout more compact.

    The trimming back of the engine size would also bring with it a weight benefit which could help with both the centre of gravity and the location of any ballast.

    The new design idea will present a huge challenge, both in terms of ensuring that the performance gains work but also in guaranteeing that reliability is not compromised.

    While some within Ferrari may have preferred for the team to carry on with a more traditional power unit design and use an evolution of the version that will be used in the SF21, the Italian outfit is determined to make the most of the opportunities afforded by the new 2022 regulations.

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/154958/ferrari-considering-new-engine-concept-for-2022
     
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    Last time they tried to reduce engine size for aerodynamics purpose was in 2014..
    But i don’t believe any words coming from Nugnes mouth..
     
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    I hear you. I'm on the notion "I'll believe it when I see it" mentally when it comes to Ferrari.
     
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    Well, the gap is huge and there could be an engine freeze coming. If they have to change something, they have to do it now. The reliability issues can be fixed later if necessary.
     
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    This perhaps helps secure Elton for 2022.
     
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    Seems like even Mercedes is bored with Hamilton and his fake behaviour.
     
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    They can always use the fxx series for that!
     
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    I don’t understand how teams can agree to a freeze. Admittedly the engine formula has been around for a long time so maybe development has plateaued—except for maybe re-packaging the elements of the PU, what Ferrari is rumoured to be doing—but F1 has always been about innovation and new tech. But more critically, if for whatever reason an engine builder’s development gets delayed and they can’t be ready in time for the start of 2022, what then? They’re stuck with a half-baked engine for 3 years?

    Hopefully whatever they come up with for the new engine in 2025, they’ll at least allow development and engine steps.
     
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  27. Bas Jaski

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    The previous engine freeze wasn't exactly a big success: One very strong team, the rest not at all.

    I understand an engine freeze if all engines where close to equal, like the V8 era was. Ferrari with a brand new engine for 2022, Honda with new engine concepts for 2021 (brought forward a year)...Mercedes apparently wasn't really happy with a freeze, either (but it's Mercedes so very strong chance of them bluffing, of course). All we can do is hope that by 2022 the teams are close in power or it'll be a long, long 3 years...
     
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