Ferrari F1 is no longer Ferrari w/o tire swaps

[sarcasm]And I suppose the skill and speed of the pit crew cannot be shown in other tasks like refueling, making spoiler adjustments and tire pressure adjustments ?

And I suppose it's beyond the realms of possibility for Bridgestone to develop a more robust tire, or for the Ferrari cars to be better set up for decreased tire wear, or for the drivers to change their technique ?[/sarcasm]

Ferrari fans should stop complaining incessantly and should instead expect the team to raise their game to match the ask.

 

The question is not about raising the game or not. The question is that if you design rules such that one team's core competencies are eliminated or suffer the most then is it fair?

The rules after 2001 have been constantly changed so that Ferrari cannot be dominant as usual. The rules have been designed to eliminate Ferrari's core competencies.

ANYWAY...

I supported Ferrari for over two decades of winning nothing. I am sure the most Ferrari fans will support the team in these testing times. I cannot wait for the F2005 to be launched and for bandwagon Ferrari fans / critics (depending upon performance) to eat crow!

 

Bullcrap ! One team's core competencies ? You mean the entire Ferrari "magic" is based on frequent but quick tire changes ? Pit stop strategy revolves solely around tire changes ?

What happened to your frequent bombast about their impeccable driving, their wonderfully engineered cars, etc. etc. ?

At any rate, the rules as they stand now are applied equally to all the teams. It's just a question of whether Ferrari can rise to the challenge- and so far they've been unable to.

And please don't impute the whole thing is unfair to Ferrari. Because Ferrari is hardly the most fair-minded fair-playing team in the paddock. They've been quietly cheating by reneging on the testing agreements in Europe, much to the chagrin of the other teams.

When the FIA changes the rules and Ferrari continues to dominate, that shows that Ferrari are indomitable. When FIA does the same thing it's been doing all along and suddenly Ferrari are unable to keep up, boohoohoo, the FIA's not playing fair. Grow up.

That's fine. Support. Don't bawl "no fair !" like a little girl and petulantly threaten to take the ball home with you.

 

No, I did not say that. Learn to read.

They still make the best cars in the world, with the best driver in the world. The F2004 was the best car in the 2004 season.

AND THE NEW F2005 IS GOING TO MAKE BANDWAGON CRITICS CRY LIKE LITTLE GIRLS!

Yes that is true because they have had to constantly modify their team and engineering to keep up with the rule changes. Where as other team did not have to modify structure. So although rules are equal for all teams, Ferrari has to do more to RISE UP TO THE CHALLENGE each time the rules are changed

It is unfair because Ferrari has to do more to keep up and remain dominant every year. The testing agreements are not set in stone. They are meant for teams such as Jordan and Minardi who keep on complaining about costs. ferrari is not bound legally to keep those agreements.

Every year Ferrari have been able to keep up with the rule changes and have poured enough money and brain power into the new rules to remain dominant. This years rule changes are so drastic that it makes F1 look like a lottery game. Ferrari have so far been unable to adapt to the new rules. Keep in mind this is the F2004 not the F2005 that is racing. Tostill be able to score points with an old car is astonishing.

If the FIA had kept the same rules as last year, Ferrari would have dominated again. However the new rules make it easier for other teams to adapt.

ONE JUST ONE of Ferrari's core competencies was the ability for the pit crew to perform under tremendous pressure. That core competency was taken away. Other teams have an advantage because they did not spend man power and resources developing that pit crew.

No one is crying yet. The only people that are going to cry are those bandwagon Ferrari fans who seem to praise Ferrari for when they are on top and jump the wagon and criticize Ferrari when they are down.

Remember 2003... remember all those people that wrote Ferrari off... Yet, there they were at the end of the season... Victorious.

And then all those bandwagon fans came back with their tails between their legs chanting "Ferrari, Ferrari". There is no shortage of bandwagon fans these days.

 

Perhaps YOU should learn to read. I've stated that if the F2005 car can reestablish dominance, I'll be very happy with that too. That would be Ferrari rising to the challenge.

And if they manage to win despite the new rules -then horror of horrors - it would mean all your bellyaching about their "core competencies" in excellent tire changing would've meant exactly naught.

If the F2005 does trounce the competition, I will be happy for the team, as I have stated previously. However, if they still can't keep up, it'll be fun for me to see you with *your* tail between your legs.

 

I remained a Ferrari fanatic for over two decades when they won nothing... I have experience in having my tail between my legs... but I am damm proud I stuck with the team.

At least I am not a bandwagon fan... on when things are good.. first to jump off when things turn bad.

 

Are you implying I am a "bandwagon fan" (whatever that means) ? First of all, I've never been a Ferrari supporter, but I don't hate the team. They've enjoyed recent successes, and that's fine, teams come and go in this game. There's no reason for me to hope they're going to mantain a stranglehold on the game.

And I'm hardly new to F1, since I've been watching it for over 17 years. Back from the heyday of Alain Prost, Nelson Piquet, Nigel Mansell and the late-great Ayrton Senna. From well before Schumi ever sat in a Benetton.

 

TEAMS COME AND GO IN THIS GAME....

hahahahahha
you just discredit and compramised anything and everything you will ever talk about F1. If you were a real F1 follower, you would know that Ferrari are not "a team that come and go in this game". Ferrai have been in F1 since the start, and they are the only team to do so.

The last time I checked simple logic told me that over two decades was great than 17 years.

As I have said before... there is no shortage of critics these days.

 

Are you really that stupid or is it all just an act ?

By "come and go" I was referring to the ebbs and flows of success and mediocrity. Sorry if that was too abstract a concept for your little mind to grasp.

SO ? If you've been into the sport 3 years longer than I have, or even 5 years longer, that gives you an unimpeachable authority on it ?

But thankfully, there is a shortage of myopic one-track zealots like you - otherwise life would be unbearable.

 

Well the F2005 is suppose to be alot more easier on tires....that or maybe Ferrari should dump Bridgestone and throw on some Goodyears instead.

 

Fortunately, the English language has different words to convey different meanings. However, some brains are not developed enough to communicate messages properly. Those are the types of brains who fail to see beneath the surface of things and are not able to comprehend the idea of a core competency being eliminated.

No one said I was the authority on F1. And I will be the first one to say that my knowledge about the technical aspects of F1 are not too sharp. However, it was you who used 17 years as the mark of authority not me.

Thankfully, Ferrari silenced all the critics in 2003 and I hope the critics get to eat crow once again for questioning Ferrari and their abilities.

 

Yes, that does sound like a serious problem that you have, perhaps you should seek help with it.

"Core competency" again - pray tell me, where was Ferrari's core competency for the better part of two decades when they were failing ? As I recall their recent success had a lot to do with a particular driver taking the hot seat. Not with the prowess of the pit crews.

But you've been watching for 20 + years. Oh no ! You're NOT an authority ? I feel so cheated...

I did nothing of the sort. You were accusing me of being a "bandwagon fan" - your own idiotic turn of phrase - and I was defending myself from the accusation. Surely, 17 years is enough time to be beyond the "bandwagon" phase ?!

And though I have nothing against Ferrari per se, I hope you end up eating crow if they don't do well this season.

 

You remind me of a spoilt teenage girl I met once... she would not learn from her mistakes and would not admit fault.

Anyway...

They laugh best that laugh last.

There is an old German proverb that comes to mind...

A bad beginning may make a good ending.

 

And you remind me of a crazy old coot that I met once who thought the earth was still flat.

Off your rocker with your non-sequiturs again ? These look even funnier than "core competencies".

 

If you could read or comprehend you would notice that I said "core competency". Making that a singular and not a plural.
If you need help try..
www.dictionary.com

You are probably the best example I can think of to illustrate lack of F1 knowledge, ignorance, and unwillingness to learn.

Top that with lack of respect and a false sense of pride, and that gives you the distinction of earning the first ignore on my list. Congratulations you have achieved what is probably the hallmark of your entire ignorant meager life.

 

Why don't we wait until Ferrari launches their 2005 car before we make this judgement. They're still running last year's car!

 

Imperial and Turboflat you guys crack me up Get a room boys!

 

Another note, Barrichello was about 1.5 seconds down on Kimi's fast lap. I highly doubt the initial speed of the Ferrari will be *that* great to instant put it to the front creating fastest laps/poles...

 

Sorry mate but this post is just total BS.

The Ferrari pit crew has only RECENTLY been up to the level of the rest of the grid ... please go and watch some history of F1, not the last 4 or 5 years.

F1 is a team sport, yep but it used to be once the start flag dropped it was up to the driver. Pit stops have not always been and are not tied into some unwritten law of motorsports ... personally I cannot wait until the racing 100% returns to the track and the team return to the job of building race cars.

There is nothing clever about a F1 pitstop taking 5 seconds (or whatever) it is simply a case of throwing men at the job. CART racing series do a better job as they have restrictions, i.e only 2 rattle guns and 5 people working on the car ... F1 has something like 100 people jump on the car and it is absolutely nothing to do with being clever ... after all one persons job is to simply remove leaves from the radiator inlets ... the other to hold a sign ... fnck even I could do that!

Pete

 

Hear, hear, Pete ! As usual, you're right on the money with your assessments.

 

LOL !!

Actually my whole intent was to draw out and bait that narrow minded crazed zealot, so I upped the trash talking a little. It was a heady experience and I achieved the desired effect. I can't help it, imperial just begs to be flamed and flamed.

Well, the ignorant one has declared that he's put me on ignore, let's see if he's as good as his word (which is not very good).

 

agreed, I can remember the Ferrari crew losing tyres for Irvine and having many other problems over the years and it has been Ross Brawn that has drilled the discipline into the crew to such a level that they became the best when they use to be a shambles.

Personally I think the rules have been all wrong for ages, there should be NO wings !!! I don't care who thinks this is stupid or not, if you want to drop the speeds drop the wings and give them slicks back.

The other BIG thing would be to make the bottom of the car totally flat from the front to the rear thereby negating the underbody aerodynamics, no diffusers allowed.

These cars have outgrown ALL tracks on the circuit so there is a real need to slow them down and reduce the tyre width if we are to see driver skill come back into the equation.

These engine and tyre rules are just plain daft, if you think you can win by changing tyres 4 or 5 times in a race go for it and the same goes for those that think no stops for tyres will win the race.

This was how Ferrari finally beat Alfa Romeo, by reducing the number of pitstops for fuel by using the 4.5 litre motors as opposed to the 1.5 supercharged engines AR were using..the more things change, the more they stay the same.

There must be some aerodynamisists out there that can come up for a good case against the wings and developing some other aspects of the car but everyone keeps taking the easy option.

 

So, you just admitted to trolling on F-Chat... a offense that can get you banned...

This forum is for intelligent discussion of racing... not juvenile bickering... thread closed.