Ferrari F430 Manual Conversion - Now does this affect value?

Universal just finished converting my CS using OEM components.. it's incredible. And I couldn't care less about the value lol

 

converted CS is the ultimate

 

I think in years to come F1 and manuals will start to even up. The F1 will get more valuable as time goes by. This was cutting edge tech in its day and the F430 is a good car with the best and last version! The boxes today as good as they are, can be quite boring and simply to super smooth, fast yes, but the F1 is fun, mechanical and brutal all at the same time. I have accepted these boxes for what they are, which is a box of the day / tech of the day and a sign of the times back then, Similar to the E46 M3 and SMG gearbox, you could not give away an SMG car just over 4 years ago, and now the gap is closing.

Now, Its not rocket science, the F1 is a manual with a Pump doing the work instead of your leg. Can't see how a conversion if done right with proper parts can be seen as a fake (that's just stupid) or worth any less.

 

converted CS would be a dream car for me! How did the process go? Could u share what the turnaround time was and if u had to source parts, or did universal take care of it. Thx!

 

I agree with u, f1 f430 is a blast to drive, especially compared to modern cars, can’t imagine it’s value not eventually rising too

As for the conversions, the f-car collector world will always put a premium on originality, whether there is any rationality to it or not. There was a recent BAT 430 that sold where the seller replaced his fabspeed header for oem for the sale! I also remember another thread (?maybe 308/328) where original exhaust carried a premium.

 

It was LONG haha. I sourced all of the parts myself - all said and done it took about 18 months to collect everything needed. Big shoutout to George (DrS) for helping me with a lot of the random smaller bits/clips. In terms of where I got lucky - believe it or not a huge portion of the order was able to filled between scuderia car parts and euro spares. The truly unobtainable stuff - 184022 & 181751 - I got lucky on. Sniped 184022 brand new on ebay and 181751 came from a friend whos been hoarding this stuff for years. I have some more content on the car on my instagram handle if you want to take a look @997gawd

The car is absolutely incredible. Knowing what it took to make it happen... hard for me to ever think of it as a fake Rolex. The movement is 100% pure rolex

 

Calling a gated conversion Ferrari 360 a "fake" is absolutely ridiculous. The car is still a Ferrari, and the parts are fully interchangeable. The only difference is that the transmission has been converted to a gated manual. This does not make the car any less of a Ferrari, even if it was a 458 which never came with a gated shift from the factory, its STILL a Ferrari.

Ultimately, whether or not you consider a gated conversion Ferrari 360 to be a "fake" is a matter of opinion. However, there is no denying that the car is still a Ferrari, and it is still a valuable piece of automotive history.

 

That is awesome. Even though it was a long and arduous process, makes it even better knowing that it’s not easily reproduced. Definitely a unicorn

 

In 20 years all except a very few marquise gated cars will drop in value. Why? The generation which will have the money won't know how to drive gated and the F1 will be more valued. With Lamborghini Murcielago's the eGear, was a $20,000 upgrade option 20 years ago. The pendulum has swung the other way now the cheaper gated Murcis are 2X+ higher in price. The pendulum will swing back the other way in the future.

 

Hi @lorenzo, me too and thank you for selling me your manual steering wheel cover

Still the recent onslaught of outright profiteering and conversions and flopping using machined parts has had the expected effect. Only time will tell where prices settle but this is even not shunting for the continuing rate of conversion...

 

For a moment i thought i was reading one of my own replies...

For me modding a car is the way to go, however i personally prefer the F1 box in these cars, just like i prefer an SMGII E46 M3 over a manual E46 M3 (yes ive owned both multiple times, been lucky enough to have had 5x a E46 M3, including a HorsePowerFreaks M3 with 997HP (which was manual), started with a SMG competition when i was 18, then 2 manuals, and then again 2 SMG's. I love the hard "slaps" it gives when changing gear under full load etc, the F430 F1 is kinda similar to that, only a bit better and more refined i think. they give alot more emotion and raw feeling than the gearbox of lets say a 458 onwards...

I think it also differs what your preferance is in a car wether you find it worth a premium or not to have a manual version..

 

You aren’t alone, I refer to these as Frankenstein Ferraris.

 

It depends how you plan to use the car::;


Collectors item

vs

high performance sports car

get the oem gated variant for both

 

Here's what Google's Bard Ai had to say about people calling a gated conversion an F1 to AMT conversion a 'Frankenstein Ferrari'...

Quote,

"It can be considered quite rude and insulting to call a converted Ferrari a "Frankenstein Ferrari." It is after all a derogatory term that is used to make fun of the car and the people who own it. It suggests that the car is not a true Ferrari and that the people who own it are not true Ferrari enthusiasts.

The person who posted it may be mean-spirited and egotistical. They may believe that they are better than other people because they own an original Ferrari. They may also believe that their opinion is the only one that matters.

However, it is also possible that the person who posted it did not mean to be rude or insulting. They may have simply been using a term that they are familiar with. They may not have realized that the term is considered derogatory.

It is possible that someone who is derogatory about someone else's proud possessions has lower emotional intelligence. Emotional intelligence is the ability to understand and manage one's own emotions, as well as the emotions of others. People with lower emotional intelligence may be more likely to say things that are hurtful or insensitive, without considering the impact of their words on others. They may also be more likely to react emotionally to situations, rather than thinking things through rationally.

Of course, there are other possible explanations for why someone might be derogatory about someone else's possessions. They may be jealous of the person's possessions, or they may simply have a different opinion about what is considered to be a valuable possession. However, if someone is consistently derogatory about other people's possessions, it is possible that they have lower emotional intelligence."

 

I agree. I modded my car to suit my desires.
I couldn't give a hoot who doesn't like it. It's my car and my mods were what I wanted.
For example, I converted 430 mirrors (I had the '430' filled in before painting) and I love them on my 360. I also had my dash done with yellow Tach and red needles. My air vents were from a 599 (round ones)

 

The great OZ has spoken!

 

When your sub gets an overhaul from Rolex the movements aren't "original" to that watch anymore, but the parts are all OEM from the manufacturer and nothing needs to be modified. If you're converting with all OEM parts I'm not sure why it would be any different. I can see the argument being made more for a 430 cause of the e-diff situation. In my case it didn't matter - a gated Stradale was never an option lol.

 

The difference is when your sub gets an overall from Rolex and you swap out the dial for a service dial, that's ok. It does affect value because it's not original. But a conversion with OEM parts is more like your Submariner didn't come with a ceramic bezel and you went to a watchmaker (not Rolex service, which won't do it) and had it swapped for an OEM ceramic bezel. Now you have a Frankeinstein-watch, you tell me if that is worth the same as a factory Submariner which came from Rolex with a ceramic bezel from new. Don't even start me on aftermarket diamonds. If you're thinking a conversion is worth the same as an OEM manual from the factory, then you must wear a Hublot

 

I like the Watch comparison, but why the hate for Hublot? (My favorite watches, and i deffo do not like rolex, way tooooo much gold to my liking as a european)

 

I don't know if I agree that a vintage watch's value is diminished by the manufacturer servicing it. Polishing like new - yes - that's a no-no for me. But just like cars they need service to stay running well. I can fully get on board with the Frankenstein comparison of swapping in a ceramic bezel even if it's OEM. That's a great point. And to that point I would say when you go to sell it you're likely putting the original bezel back on an no ones the wiser - nothing modified and all factory.

I'm not in the watch business, but I am a 4th generation diamond dealer/manufacturer, a 102 year old business. So forgive me if this makes me sound clueless, but what is an aftermarket diamond? I'm guessing you mean lab grown? If that's the case it's an awful comparison. Lab grown is a Dr S kit - I can't say EAG because the parts don't even look factory. Real is real, fake is fake. Also - please don't peg me for a Hublot guy. I'm not lol.

By no means am I making the argument that a 360 converted with all factory parts makes the car worth the same as a similar OEM manual. That's just idiotic. Not to mention the cost of putting together all the factory parts is likely a little more than the delta between an F1 360 and a gated 360 having just done it. At that point I'd totally just buy the "real" thing. I will say this though - and I'm putting my flame suit on - an identical spec Stradale with the same miles as my car... I think most people out there WOULD pay a premium for mine with a fully catalogued gated conversion using all factory parts. Totally irrelevant as I'm never selling this thing. But that's my story and I'm sticking to it lol.

 

The hierarchy that I suspect will crystalize over time:

OEM Factory gated
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OEM Conversion by TOP specialist
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OEM STYLE aftermarket conversion by TOP specialist
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Top Tier F1 example
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Non-OEM STYLE conversion by specialist
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Non-OEM STYLE conversion DIY​

 

Nah - that's the wrong way round if we are talking years to come, it will be the Robotized F1 gearbox that will be the more desirable. Its unique.

 

If you say so!

 

I do, time changes a lot of things!

 

The manual cars are more durable so in the future only garage queen F1s will be around. Self fulfilling.