Ferrari F599 GTO by Vandenbrink

i'm sorry, i just don't get it. Why would someone pay almost 2 million dollars for this car? You could have any number of outstanding, real ferraris for that. Maybe it's just because i could never afford it, but i just don't get it.

 

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If anything, it should be worth less because its just a butchered and chopped Ferrari.

One should never "Mess with the Best". !!

 

Actually custom coachwork is nothing new. It's actually a very old tradition, take a great mechanical platform and re-body it to make something new. There will always be people who want something other than what the factories put out.

 

My gosh, there are a lot of styling features that resemble Pete Brock's new-era Daytona coupe.
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What about Mr. G with his P 4/5?

 

+1. I like the P4/5 but its just a butchered Enzo. I would take an original Enzo over it anyday. Sorry Napolis, I still love the car though!

 

You and 3 other people think that, but it is what the owner thinks, not what we thinks

 

Huge price + no background = 3 or 4 orders?

I *love* the design, but it is so utterly retro that I wonder how many people could have arrived at the same theme..half the world...it seems. Bland and derivative and without soul...smacks the other half...what will become an unloved modification ten and twenty years down the line.

Discard the retro and the homage to bad Ferrari designs and you won't be limited to the past.

Case in point: the P4/5 thing with the fake exhausts...a design that fires on all cylinders until you see the fake exhausts...then it just becomes a bad derivative of something that it isn't.

So close, yet so very far away, these designs.

 

The Enzo is a difficult bit to look at, from all angles.

What the Enzo isn't is an unoriginal wig of a design with fake bits riddled upon it for effect....fake exhausts out the top or some retro theme played out past its prime. The Enzo will only get better with time; it cuts a clean Herculean profile that is unsullied by common opinion or irrelevant viewpoints.

Kinda touches on what being a Ferrari is all about, dunnit?

One can personalize a Ferrari, but by doing so it become less...time tells that tale all too well.

 

It looks more like a beefed up Alfa 8C than 599 imo..

 

Its nice, however its still a salvage.

From experience, whenever you start adding body kits, panels, spoilers, wheels, etc, it only devaluates the car and limits it resale.

 

The F599 GTO I like, however I think that making more than one devalues the car. Mr. G did the correct thing with P 4/5 by making it a 1 of 1, however I think the design went too far. With the ricer style v shaped LED lights up front to the ricer looking exhaust out the top back it just takes so much away from the car IMO. I also think the overly wide open front “grill” area should stay on cartoon cars and the vent on the bonnet breaks the lines of the car. Again that all just my opinion....



Maybe seeing it in person someday will change my opinion, but again who knows.

 

A few points. The exhausts aren't fake. At idle to avoid scalding pedestrians the exhaust shunts to the bottom but upon any throttle it shunts to the upper exhausts. The upper exhausts serve several purposes. They increase airflow to the wing. They back fill a low pressure area reducing drag. They also reduce wake vortices's. Their new shape which is based on Ferrari F1 exhausts also flow better than Enzo exhausts. Putting aside aesthetics for a moment P 4/5 is faster than an Enzo both in acceleration and top speed, has much more aerodynamic downforce, lower drag, better turn in and because of bigger tires needs less electronic intervention to drive at speed. It is much more drivable on the street due to shorter front and rear overhangs as well.

The Enzo was designed many years ago. Years later it is not surprising we were able to take this fantastic platform and improve it slightly.
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That shop offering this, IS a well known fabricator they have restored the body panels of many important Ferraris, so it's not like they are an unknown quantity.

It'll be interesting to see who the buyers are, as the world economy sails into a Perfect Storm.......

 

The Enzo was shaped on a cocktail napkin.

Mr. G. had a little more time and better design equipment, IMO.....

 

Nope. Ferrari P 4/5 by Pininfarina is an official unique Ferrari. This official designation was worked out and agreed to by Luca di Montezemolo, Andrea Pininfarina, and me.

 

Mr. G I give you great credit for P 4/5 its truly a wonderful design, but there are just a few things that I done like. But the point at hand is its your car and your design and it was created to make you happy and not I. I do hope to see it in person someday, hopefully you will bring it to Hawaii sometime after 08 so I can see it after I move there.

 

There is a lot of tradition in coach-built cars, and certainly going into Ferrari's history, there are enough of them, some more successful than others.

It is commendable that, with the restricitions and difficulties to do so with a modern car, some have the courage to do so anyway.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I like P4/5 a lot, more so than the 599 re-body. Personally I would have done some things different on the first, but the latter does not have much to contribute in terms of originality of design.
Apart from the easthetics, we are talking about a 300km/h+ vehicle. It'd be interesting to know what an aerodynamicist would have to say about it.
I hope to see P4/5 in the flesh one day, and, oh boy, do I wish I had the funds to embark on such a project myself! I think I'd do the 599 more justice for 2 million Dollars...

Happy motoring,

Jack V.

 

only problem with this argument is this isn't a coach built ferrari. I promise you it will never wear a ferrari badge or be called a ferrari. Jim's is a coach built ferrari. One of the best. that i understand. this i don't. specially for 2m.

 

Quote: "Nope. Ferrari P 4/5 by Pininfarina is an official unique Ferrari. This official designation was worked out and agreed to by Luca di Montezemolo, Andrea Pininfarina, and me."

Response: The P 4/5 only adds to the mystic of the Ferrari brand, it brings the value of the brand name up another notch.... I can see Luca wanting others to do the same especially if it is done in the same manner as the P 4/5. Exclusivity is the name of the game and Ferrari is the car of kings...

 

I am all for costum coachbuilding. However, as for now, I do not particularly care for the 599 GTO. To me, it doesn't bring anything new to the table. It has all the styling cues of the 250 GTO, but they are smoothed over to adapt it to modernday times. Let's leave the supercars of yesteryear alone, let's come up with something new. For the same reason, I do not care at all for the Ford GT. The P4/5 is a better execution of a similar (flawed) concept. It clearly harks back to the Ferrari P-racing cars of 40+ years ago, but it is original enough to have a 'raison d'etre' on its own.

 

I didn't know there was Factory involvement with your project. Very unique indeed.

 

didn't notice the ferrari badges?