911 changes over the decades are virtually imperceptible to anyone except Porscheaphiles. The changes wrought by the F8 in comparison to the 458 is easily observed by anyone with eye sight. The engines are completely different, as is the aero dynamic elements as will be the driving dynamics using the 488 as a benchmark.
The changes from 997 to 992 can be compared with 458 -> F8. Engine, gearbox, suspension, steering. However, I agree with you: It‘s a lot.
Why do many prefer the driving experience of the 458 N.A. V8 over the faster and more nimble 488? It’s not because these folks are not bright enough to recognize the difference between the two. I think the sound and vibration is an important part of the driving experience.
Why do many prefer the driving experience of the 458 N.A. V8 over the faster and more nimble 488? It’s not because these folks are not bright enough to recognize the difference between the two. I think the sound and vibration is an important part of the driving experience. The 488 and F8 sound pretty much the same same Maybe 588 is a little better Not sure how much negative effect the filter will have on the 812 spider. Obviously the N.A. V12 in the 812 is very musical.
In my region, you can’t drive the new models. You can only test the used cars. If anyone here has driven the new F8, please chime in. My person observations are what I believe to be what I will expect when I get the car.
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I believe they mixed it up with the price of the 488 Spider. The coupe was slightly lower than the F8's quoted price.
Seeing the video really makes me anxious to find out if Australia will have GPF At the launch no one had any idea at all. For me definitely a deal breaker if it does.
Here is what an auto reviewer said about the engine music and driving drama “Speaking of noise, the V8 still lacks the operatic quality we expect from a Ferrari; there’s not the same tingly and fizzing raw appeal as the old naturally aspirated unit of the 458. But those days are long gone, and this is the new reality, so we just have to deal with it. At low revs there’s a baritone blare that gives way to a hard-edged metallic mid-range through the operatic top end howl. This is an engine that has you rifling up and down gears just to hear the constant change in note. That Hot Tube helps here, channelling more of the noise inside, although its proximity to the turbocharger means a little more whistle and wastegate chatter.”
Listen to the F8 engine start-up and rev at 2min 40 sec in this review. The Hot Tube does help to improve the sound inside the cockpit.
Nope not true. I spoke with the head tech at length and detail about this today and was clearly advised the GPF has most certainly reduced the sound from where Pista and 488 are. So if someone is saying F8 sounds better than 488 and Pista then it's BS. He explained how now there is more sound being piped into the cabin and Ferrari has thrown a lot at trying to recover the sound but it will simply never sound as good as 488 or Pista for obvious reasons. F8 will only offer superficial sound on inside but outside it will certainly be quieter and even lamer than ever before. Just listen to SF90 vid, you can barely hear it around the track even going full noise. It's very quiet! Also, now, there is absolutely no way can you play around with the exhaust on the F8 due to pressure sensors now fitted post turbos which will detect any change - no matter how minor - or reduction whatsoever in back-pressure, or pulse, and, if any change is detected will send the engine haywire. So guys F8 is destined to be a car you buy stock and leave it that way. PS. Re the 488 and having valves open all the time, I was given a detailed explanation of how and why the performance and torque is most definitely reduced at lower rpms along with the risk to engine health - this situation not warrantable by Ferrari when the files are read. Far better to use a valve controller in this situation so you can return it to stock when on it....but forget about all that totally with F8....can't do anything to fix it.
That is totally ridiculous. Huge differences. Nothing at all to do with being Porscheaphiles... But would agree with Ferrari changes as being equally significant. F8 is faster and more improved than 458 and 488 but is sadly a mouse in the sound dept going by what I was told by someone who has actually driven one and, who knows all about the technical background on the car. OTOH was told the latest 812 sounds utterly amazing. Something positive there.
With the Sterling at risk of losing value against other currencies, it would be strange to have the price lower for the F8 than for the 488 while in Euro the F8 is about 7% more than the 488.
Find it very hard to believe you cant demo one before buying... unless you want to be first cab off the rank before the dealer gets their demo. But why do that when you already have doubts?All dealers get a demo and then they offload that at one point. And, fair enough, but then knowing all that then why on earth would you buy one? I would agree with you that the sound and vibrations are part of the overall experience, but knowing these elements have been removed from the usual equation means the car will need to make up in other areas significantly to make it even worth your while surely?
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