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Ferrari F80 value thread

Discussion in '288GTO/F40/F50/Enzo/LaFerrari/F80' started by roma1280, Nov 12, 2024.

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  1. Lukeylikey

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    I think, as a buyer, the price of the F80 is excessive. As a seller (i.e. Ferrari) it’s hard to say. We’ll find out. The similarities between the F80 and F40, including how expensive they are compared to the previous car, are eerily similar. From that, I would guess the F80 will be like the F40 - an early increase, followed by a long time behind all the others, then a rise into a decent position considering the higher production volume.
     
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  2. Or just as a percentage.
     
  3. therryzsx

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    my prediction for future :D :D

    F90 | electric single seater | 999 units | price 15 000 000 $

    F100 | no more cars due carbon emission restriction, just video game, customers selected by Ferrari can choose platform Playstation or Xbox | 1200 units | price unknown because dollar collapsed
     
  4. Lukeylikey

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    So you’re saying the F80 will grow in value because it’s the last ICE supercar?! :)
     
  5. MDEL

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    My prediction for 25 years from now is not as radical as yours. However, it is guaranteed that the concept of form embracing function and the futuristic lines that Flavio Manzoni penned in the F80 will be taken much further in the future F100. However, in 25 years’ time a solid-state battery technology may well have developed to a point where it can be used in cars. At that point, electric vehicles would be using much lighter efficient batteries with increased energy density that would not need to take as much space in the car. This technology would also drastically decrease the amount of time it takes for the battery to reach full charge. If this would happen, the combustion engine would probably be doomed and therefore it would be very likely that F-1 would become an E-F1. As Ferrari Supercars are designed using the latest F1 technology, in these circumstances it was more than certain that the F100 would be an entirely electric Ferrari.

    But what would differentiate an electric Ferrari in terms of engine from any other super sports EV made in China, United States or Europe? IMO absolutely nothing, they would all be very equivalent. Therefore by not being able to assert itself through motorization as always did, Ferrari would be left to praise its technological and conception capacity, its design and the cavallino emblem. There would certainly be no shortage of buyers for the electric F100, just as there is now no shortage of buyers for everything that has the cavallino emblem attached.





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  6. j09333

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    Solid state battery is long shot. Dare I would say, companies will not seek an answer from solid state batteries.
     
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  7. ouzo12

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    Is it true that the f80 has yet to officially sell out. I saw something posted on the socials so take it with a grain of salt.
     
  8. roma1280

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    You mean they couldn’t lock in €3.2bn of sales for a supercar that has tripled in price compared with the last one 10 years ago? Ok kidding aside, if I had to guess I think the 799 are currently allocated, but who knows.
     
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  9. JagShergill

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    Well said buddy
     
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  10. Prancing 12

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    I'm hearing of F80 "flips" available from very reputable sources at relatively modest premiums... I think it's fair to say that Ferrari very nearly "fully priced" the car @ MSRP, especially when compared to the premiums of past Supercars and even other recent lower-tier models.
     
  11. roma1280

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    bingo. no euros left on the table.

    Someone offered me an order for $500k and I asked over or under?
     
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  12. therryzsx

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    what was reaction for your words? :D
     
  13. roma1280

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    it wasn’t very polite.
     
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    I wonder how real this is.
     
  16. roma1280

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    The Porsche 918 spider had similar production numbers and took ages to sell out and it was about a quarter of the price, so it’s certainly not impossible.

    The other fact that hasn’t been discussed is the size of the deposit. I believe the plan was to ask for like $1 million or something. That will definitely put people off. Does anyone know what deposit is being asked for and is it non refundable?
     
  17. j09333

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    Have not heard anything from Ferrari or dealer. So, I wonder what is going on.

    please adjust price down to 2M or production run of 599 for coupe and 199 for aperta at 2.5M.
     
  18. George330

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    I know and it is lower
     
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    maybe this hurt someon this board but if F80 will be disaster it could have force Ferrari to change their current policies, there will be NO petrol car ban in 2035, so Ferarri can develop new high rpm naturally aspirated engine, I doubt that cost of development new engine is so high...
     
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    In a previous post I mentioned that if we applied the rate of inflation cumulative to 2024 to what was the price of a new LaFerrari in 2013, we quickly conclude that the selling price of the F80 is almost double that of the LaFerrari.
    This doubling of the price IMO is not justifiable, however it would be a scandal if Ferrari was unable to place all 799 units at the list price to those given the slots initially or to anyone else.
     
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  21. Lukeylikey

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    As discussed before, ROI is a misleading arbiter. There are other metrics that are better, for example % of current market price of previous model. The F80 may still prove to be expensive but the price of the LaF at launch v the market price of the Enzo at that time would be a better indicator (I can’t remember what it was but I think it might have been similar, as is the F80 v the LaF current price). In that sense, maybe F80 is more reasonably priced. But, also as said before, when the market goes down, they all go down.

    Arguably the extra volume is more of a problem for the F80. But then, if our dealer is anything to go by, there are definitely more customers wanting and eligible for an F80 than was the case for LaFerrari.
     
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  22. amenasce

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    I think enzo to laf and laf to f80 msrp are similar at around 2.3x.

    660k to 1.4m
    1.4m to 3.5m

    But as prices get higher and higher, it gets harder and harder to justify, especially with a run that is almost 2x as well.

    on the other hand, certainly, there are many more uhnw people in 2025 vs 2014..
     
  23. roma1280

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    If they switched direction (I hope they do) our hybrid era Ferraris are going to be extremely undesirable.
     
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  24. Lukeylikey

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    That’s another interesting metric. The one I was thinking of (in case I didn’t explain properly and there is some confusion) is the retail price of a new hypercar v the market price at that time of the previous model. For example, the LaF was priced at £1.2m, what was the Enzo’s value in 2013 as a percentage?

    I can’t remember fully but my guess is that Enzo was below LaFerrari at that time. If that was true, you could argue that F80 is not overpriced because it is priced less than the value of the LaF by a small way.
     
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  25. amenasce

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    US Enzo was valued at around msrp of the Laf msrp by 2013. Euro Enzo were still hovering around the million dollars mark.

    Enzos then doubled the next two years and kept going up to 3.5m/4m where they seem to have stabilized.
     
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