Ferrari F80

it's looks like UK is good place to make track cars road legal

 

can be done but with the valk amr I think it would need a lot of money, LM could probably do it but the car would be brutal on the roads

 

Now you speak for the whole world too? Since you are keeping records, please count me out of those dreaming for an SP3.

The true DNA of Ferrari is maximum performance! That is all that mattered to Enzo.

 

In the UK even this is road legal: https://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/284224/red_victor_3_speed_record.html
Which is frankly beyond absurd...

 

I think "normal" F80 will able beat Valkyrie on track. But also cant wait on F80 XX. Mainly how go aero to bigger extrem and also how will sound car without road legal restrictions. But as wrote few times, I think there is only one car which can do very fast lap times but on other side still be on road very friendly and usable and it is F80.

 

Sorry but all this talking what Enzo thinks or say is waste of time, he say some relly unsmart words like: Aerodynamics are for people who can’t build engines.
Is SUV, EV aka melex and spider version of SF90 XX a true Ferrari DNA? Enzo was genius of his era but times are changing and we need to move on ...

 

Enzo was wrong about aero and rear mounted engines. But he always cared about performance and he was right about that.

 

Most of all he wanted to win. That was the priority.

 

Ferrari has not been Enzo's company for a very long time now. It was Luca's company and now it is John Elkaan's company. Regarding the F80. While I will always want every Ferrari to only have a NA engine one has to be amazed by what a complete product Ferrari has produced. As someone who is involved in creating products I am in awe of the amount of work, technology and craftsmanship, not to forget years of evolution, Ferrari put in to deliver such a balanced and complete hypercar. I always think of F80 vs the Valkyrie. Valkyrie on paper was the wet dream of every car person but in reality it's a near useless road car. F80 on the other hand - wow, just wow.

P.S. I will continue to dream of the day when hybridization gets so good that there will be no need for turbos and we move to NA+Hybrid Motors.

 

Its why the old saying "the customer is always right" is actually often wrong.

 

Well said, sir.

 

I would argue that most of the time the customer is wrong and they don’t really know wha they want until it is actually given to them by people who really know what they are doing.
My favourite retailer was the soup nazi in Seinfeld LOL

 

Ferrari has recently patented a NA V12 engine with oval pistons which is lighter and smaller than current V12 engines and could be an ideal component towards fullfilling your dream of a Ferrari NA hybrid engine. However, Lamborghini has successfully blended an NA V12 with hybrid technology in the Revuelto, something Ferrari had already done with the LaFerrari over a decade before. Even if the engine with oval pistons never comes to fruition, I see no reason why Ferrari with all its technology wouldn't be able to make a NA V12 hybrid powertrain superior to the one of the Revuelto simply using an engine with cylindrical pistons.

 

He will stay for a long time at the level of the registered patent....

 

Why pollute a naturally aspirated engine with hybridization? Do it with a turbo engine, which is already “polluted” by the turbines. Lamborghini had to make this choice to significantly increase performance, since they don’t have a hypercar in their lineup. Now the Temerario goes through the same process with electric motors on the front axle (I don’t understand why they didn’t differentiate the concept from the Revuelto) — and to make it more palatable, the V8 revs up to 10,000 rpm. The only two models from the brand with the same concept. As for the Urus, I personally don’t consider it a true Lamborghini product. So please Ferrari don’t put nothing about electricity on v12.

 

On the contrary, that is optimisation, not pollution. The LaFerrari is universally revered for its hybrid powertrain. The SP3 is a worse (and slower) car due to the lack of the electric motor.

 

Turbocharging is the final significant way to optimize an ICE engine, hybridization is a way to optimize the power unit.
So there is a chance that NA+hybrid will never make sense.

 

If I may, turbocharging is a way to optimise thermal efficiency in an ICE ( no need to add engine after the ICE, since the E strands for engine), not necessarilly the engine as a whole. Since thermal efficiency is important these days, turbocharging is also important.

 

Engine engine was redundant indeed...

 

"SP3 is a worse and slower car". Wow.

As much I think I should have purchased a LaF when I was offered one (and I refused because it was hybrid and then didn't want to hear about it... yes... I know...), I am very happy with my "worse and slower" SP3. And I believe I prefer it from a LaF aperta, even if LaFA is a fantastic car.

 

Let's take the example of the LaFerrari, which was launched 12 years ago. At the time, the car's heart was the most powerful naturally aspirated engine in Ferrari history a 6.3-liter V12 that produced 800 hp. The additional 163 hp electric motor worked alongside the V12 to boost total power to an astonishing 963 hp. The LaFerrari’s electric motor fills in the missing torque and its powertrain is fêted as one of the greatest in Ferrari history, combining a glorious high-revving V12 to entertain and serenade, and the electric motor to give instant throttle response and to enhance overall performance, silently and seamlessly. Unlike some hybrids, the response was also linear and natural.
I don't see what could be wrong or polluting if the successful formula of LaFerrari is optimized by the current technology that exists in the F80 and used again in a future V12 naturally aspirated model.

 

Well yes, on the ascent of the Croix de Fer pass, you're losing at least 2 seconds, that's very serious, you know ! If I were you, I would give up SP3 out of frustration at the first gas station, like back in the days of the 250 GTO.

 

Marshall Field is largely credited for that saying. But it got twisted around over the years. His actual context was: Let the customer HAVE the right to take goods, and return them for refund if necessary, without push-back. This was a key differentiator in his sales approach, as by and large it was caveat emptor (buyer beware) back then.

 

Exactly! NA+Hybrid lets you get instant torque AND the linear high revving buildup of a naturally aspirated engine and of course the glorious noise . Also with this combination, once the batteries get enough energy dense we can easily drive on electric power only in cities and congested areas and then fire up the NA motor for spirited drives. To me personally the 918 Spyder and the LaFerrari is where I hope we eventually land but with batteries (and even e-motors) that are 1/5th the size and weight.

 

Adding batteries, cables, power converters and electric motors makes the vehicle many more times unreliable, complex, heavy, and expensive. Why don't you just take a train instead of an automobile? Keep it simple and glorious with advancing the tech of non-assisted internal combustion engineering. These cars are meant to be loud, mechanical and emotional. Make the engine bigger, lighter and rev higher.