Ferrari F80

Making the naturally aspirated V12 engine larger with 1,000 hp seems to be a good direction and that's what Aston Martin did in the Valkyrie. But there's just one problem: the engine is unbearably loud in the cabin, meaning occupants are forced to wear noise-canceling headphones at all times.

 

If more is better, then too much is just right.

I have certain cars for which I wear ear plugs to drive. Doesn't bother me at all.

 

I'm one of those people who enjoys hearing the engine's natural sound in its entirety on the road, so noise-canceling earphones or earplugs only work for me on the track. The Valkyrie's cabin apparently has this problem of being unbearably noisy when noise-canceling earphones aren't used. However, it's unclear whether the same will happen in the cabin of a road-legal Ferrari with a 1,000 hp naturally aspirated engine.

 

Not reality TV (whatever you meant by that) but this is from Aston Martin website:

AERODYNAMICS PACKAGE
ULTRA-LIGHTWEIGHT CONSTRUCTION
Key to Aston Martin Valkyrie Spider's spine-tingling performance is its ultra-lightweight construction and high downforce aerodynamics package. But it had to look good too. The upper body surfaces of the teardrop-shaped cockpit and lower tub contours follow the envelope of space between the huge full-length Venturi tunnels that run either side of the cockpit floor. They draw vast quantities of air beneath the car to feed the rear diffuser, generating colossal levels of downforce. While that's crucial to Aston Martin Valkyrie Spider's prodigious performance, the tunnels also keep the upper body surfaces free from additional aerodynamic devices that would spoil the purity of the legendary open top styling. Looks, after all, are everything.


https://www.astonmartin.com/en/models/valkyrie-spider

 

I’m afraid the days of simple cars are over completely.

 

"Venturi tunnels that run either side of the cockpit floor. They draw vast quantities of air beneath the car to feed the rear diffuser"

The venturi tunnels feed air to the diffuser.... two different devises. You cant call the whole thing a diffuser because it is NOT.

 

I'm not calling the venturi tunnels a diffuser, I'm calling the diffuser a diffuser.

Your point and REALZEUS' was "no diffuser in the Valkyrie but Venturi tunnels". The very sentence you quote invalidates you point. Which in turn is my point: there is a diffuser at the rear end, never said or meant otherwise.

My extended point: don't be picky with me calling the rear end opening a diffuser when AM themselves call the rear end a diffuser. If it's actually venturi tunnels all along the underbody, so be it, but everyone around here understood my first post and even AM says diffuser, even if for simplicity.

 

I agree with you but unfortunately developed society had decided that loud cars are not something it wants to put up with in urban settings. NA+Electric gets us to a much better end result imho than pure electric or NA+Turbo+Electric. I think when it comes to weight we can make the engines smaller and lighter (and higher revving) to keep the overall weight the same as a pure NA engine car.

 

Restomods and classics have been lightening my wallet due to this new reality.

 

https://www.motor1.com/news/761384/bugatti-boss-criticizes-hybrid-supercars/

 

Fun video to watch, but they confirm that you can only use the Valkyrie 2,500KM a year as the car is intended for show and display. Also the engine needs to be rebuilt every 2 years, that sucks!

 

Well done, this is the way to go !

 

Great video but why wear the fake beard? Much easier to stay off camera than look like an idiot as he keeps pressing it back down.

 

I never said that the Vaklyrie does not have a diffuser. I said that the huge tunnels you were referring to are different aero devices, called Venturi tunnels.

 

Please re-read my first post on this subject. At the point I mention diffuser I mean just that, and nothing else.

 

Ok this is funny. Someone should go back and read the actual words! LOL

 

We have commissioned a Singer Turbo Study. Looks to be great fun.

 

Congrats, they’re beautiful. I’m also a Singer guy and ordered a HWA Evo earlier this year to scratch my German touring car itch.

 

Huge congratulations, it's such an amazing project! It'll be good fun to see HWA's two EVO entries on the track at 24h of Nürburgring in 2026

 

Thanks! I had a tour of the HWA facilities a few months ago and spent time with their management discussing the project. Amazing company and people.

 

And this is once again you proving why reading about cars in catalogues doesn't give one right to express such definitive opinions on (using) them, especially with the "I know everything better" attitude you unjustifiably acquired...

 

Seems a bit strong when similarly emphatic comments fly both ways? The LaFerrari (the context of the original post you quoted) is objectively faster and there will be many who do prefer a LaFerrari to an SP3 so it doesn’t seem to be a completely left-field view. On the other hand there are plenty of remarks suggesting F80 is an example of exactly why Ferrari is now a company heading in the wrong direction, spoken extremely definitively. I happen not to agree with those views but people who have them have a right to them. I think we all have to conclude that that’s what forums do. They force people to make overly definitive statements. It is what it is.

 

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Ferrari's audio brand cannot be dissociated from its history, which has always been characterized by the roar, scream, and whine of engines finely tuned to emphasize their distinctive sound. The use of exhaust manifolds that have different geometry and materials is an example of what Ferrari does to fine-tune the timbre of its engines.
With Ferraris like the turbo V8 hybrids and the F80 turbo V6 hybrid, performance is by no means a concern. The F80 is one of the most advanced and fastest road-legal cars in existence today. So, should Ferrari be concerned about other aspects? IMO yes and one of them is the fact that the F80, Ferrari’s halo car, is the quietest of all Ferraris and could even be quitter than the full-electric new car, which will come equipped with sound generators.
Sound wise I see the F80 as the exact opposite of the Valkyrie . While in the Valkyrie, occupants quickly become deafened if they don't use noise cancelling earphones, in the case of the F80, those listening to the car from outside (apparently, inside the cabin is a different story) may find it so quiet that they might even think they've gone deaf. Several of those who tested the F80 at Misano confirmed how quiet it is from outside, and this was reaffirmed also at Goodwood, where it was the quietest of all those cars with combustion engine that passed through the track.
The F80, for those who don't have the privilege of sitting in the cabin and listening to the engine sound at its fullest, IMO keeps the Ferrari emotion in a very quiet way and this is undoubtedly a paradigm shift.

 

After more than 100 pages (and many more at other threads) this debate about the amount of cilinders is neverending.

The F80 is about racing technology for the road. The V6 hybrid stuff fits well, and in that regard is connected to the original F40 (which back then also was criticized for the turbo engine, but at that time there was no internet so it was not a big fuss). They could have made a V12, but it would have been a different car, not better nor worse, just different.

One thing that Ferrari makes well, and I think it´s the secret for their longevity, is that they can make different cars: front engined, mid engine, sports cars, GTs (now even SUVs, but I don´t want to get there). Their identity is not linked to any single element, they don´t have a 911 (fortunately!). I think we should celebrate that variety, instead of whinning constantly about that this time they haven´t made the car I wanted. Don´t worry, maybe the next one.