Ferrari F80

I posted about Manzoni possibly being inspired by 80s/90s Italdesign... F80 by Italdesign | FerrariChat

...but today it occurred to me that the F80 isn't far off from the 1989 Ferrari Mythos by Pininfarina either!

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Ok dare I bring up the dirty subject of money, but if the car is going to cost $3.5m plus tax what is it going to be worth in the secondary market?

 

Not a dirty subject at all - also , its the knock on effect on the values of some of the other halo Ferraris , with approx 1/2 or less production numbers ie 288/F50/enzo/laF

 

Looks to me more like a Lambo Gallardo/Huracan than the F80.

 

I saw in the prima event and also at Fiorano and Imola. I like the car. Seems like there a lot of haters, I suspect most were not offered the car. Overtime, we will see who was right.

 

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Already hearing of build slots being offered for $500k. Seems low to me and not sure who would nuke their relationship with Ferrari for that, but if true could it be a sign that some of the 800 clients aren’t excited about the car or the price or both?

 

you are asking an important question. The answer is it depends on what you define as emotion. You (and probably me if I understand you correctly) value sound, tactility of controls, responsive handling that puts a smile on your face when driving the car on a twisty mountain road. A 1200kg Ferrari with a small V12, max 600hp and manual gearbox would be the perfect car. If that is what you like, I agree with you and so do the people who buy a T50, a Singer Porsche etc. If you believe Ferrari should have made a Valkyrie, which is an admirable but unusable car that you need to drive with noise-cancelling headphones, then we disagree, but again I understand the point

Unfortunately Ferrari needs to be successful as a company too and both examples above are not what the vast majority of customers, including the newer generations, want out of their hypercar. We live in the era of Grand Turismo virtual cars and social media influencers. Being able to have the most post-worthy car out there, being able to claim over 1000kg of downforce, and zero to 100 in 0.3 seconds, ownership by famous people who influence public opinion and a close relationship to the non-existent car that you used to win in Grand Turismo creates lots of emotion in tons of customers. Who couldn’t care less about the sound the engine makes when you’re are heel and toeing as you approach the next hairpin, because they do not drive manual cars. And they think old manual cars drive terribly plus they dont have AppleCarPlay.

I am not making a joke, I have heard this from many new Ferraristi, 20 years younger than me. Ferrari HAVE to make cars they will buy. For the cars you and I will buy there is a wonderful back book of exciting classic Ferrari.

PS When the LaF came out as a hybrid, most of us thought it was too much of a digital supercar compared with the Enzo and F50/F40/288…How times change

 

I hold you in very high esteem as an avid Ferrarista and a prolific collector, but how is this different than what Ferrari did 30 years ago? Should Ferrari keep making F50s? Would that be the real Ferrari, the brand that pushes the boundaries of performance? Or would that make Ferrari an Italian Morgan, building the same car again and again?

 

Absolutely valid point.

 

I really do like the car in yellow much better than red. Like the 360 in that regard.

 

One of very first pictures from factory confiugrator https://www.instagram.com/ferrarishane/p/DBmC6-FPZGZ

Truly cant wait for 1st real tailor made configurations. Did you expect, will there chance have front "stripe" in body color ? Yes very unlikely, but also with SP3 looked that is impossible have roof in body color and there is at least 1 (US car) with painted roof.

 

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Agree but how would you determine if the F80 has pushed the boundaries of performance?
Has the F80 pushed the boundaries of performance?

 

You're certainly right, despite my 47 years, I'm from another era and I actually have nothing in common with the new Play station 7.0 digital clientele. The good thing about them is that you can sell them ... at the price of gold, so good for this other brand that Ferrari has become, they don't have to make an effort to take a maximum, knowing that it is the past generations who built this and allow it today... Indeed, it is not necessary to build an expensive new V12 hybrid, since they are very happy to find a recycled 296 V6 and they ask for more... We will see if this new digital clientele is as loyal as the old one... It is better to turn the page and look back and wait for all this to collapse like a house of cards, which is preferable at the stage of illness...

 

"George330 said: ↑
A 1200kg Ferrari with a small V12, max 600hp and manual gearbox would be the perfect car."

I think such model instantly would become the most sought after of the new Ferrari's.

 

Hasn't it? For all we know the F80 has Valkyrie levels of performance, in a much more usable package. We can argue all day about the looks, but the performance is indisputable.

Not so sure about that. Last time Ferrari offered a manual, no one actually bought it... Anyway, if Ferrari presented a hypercar in 2024. which would be barely quicker than the 22 year old Enzo, we would all crucify the company...

 

Certainly would be for me.

 

Yes, the Valkyrie level of performance is there and yes the F80 is more useable but that does not matter in regards to performance. I am not sure that the F80 will outperform the much older Valkyrie though. Hope to see them both tested at the same time. F80 design is fine.

You are pushing it with your reference to "a manual". I did not suggest that that a manual, rear mounted V12, would be instead of a halo Ferrari hyper-car. I just think that such an F-car (per George330's description) would instantly become the favorite among new Ferraris.

 

This is obvious, and the proof is the stop of the New Dino project to avoid damaging the sales of 296...
There is an economic model built around hybridization, and which comes well before the wishes of enthusiasts.

 

Why not charge more for it than the 296? If it cannibalizes sales but at even higher margins...is that a bad thing for shareholders?

 

If they had offered a manual option on the SP3 (that’s the best you would get in terms of mid rear V12 weight-wise), what do you think the mix would be? Less than 10% manual in my view. Which also answers the question re manual cars above. Ferrari don’t make it because the world has moved on and most customers don’t want a supercar powered manual transmission car. If, on the other hand, you think the mix would be 80% manual, then perhaps you would be right. I personally don’t see it though. The manual GT3 doesn’t even get anywhere near those levels, even considering its more normal price point, something that would usually assist with manual mix.

 

The Valkyrie is not that much older and given how extreme (and compromised as a road car) it is, it is a feat for the F80 to be close to its performance and yet be much more usable and user friendly.

Ferrari dropped the manual back in the day because nobody bought it. Now, with all the complex electronics, a manual would only be a hindrance.


PS: BTW I think that the manual fixation is an American thing. In Europe we have been driving manuals all our lives. Been there, done that, there is nothing exotic/newfangled about them over here; quite the opposite in fact.

 

It would be pathetic if we need to say that the F80 is more useable and user-friendly if beaten by the older Valkyrie. I am hoping for a comparison where the F80 gets to prove itself against all other hyper-cars.