Ferrari F80

The article says the car is priced at $3.1 million, I thought it was $3.9 million. I assume it is the latter and the article is wrong.

 

I liked all of them when they came out, the only car I've changed my mind about signifcantly was the La Ferrari which I think looks fantastic now, my complaint at the time was it looked a little wild whereas I think the F80 looks a bit dull and clunky

also having looked further back on various forums to see the reaction of the La it seems to be much more generally positive than the F80 which is surely the worst public reaction for a hypercar yet? - I was too young for the f40/f50 etc so wasn't able to witness how they were recieved at the time

 

No, sorry. I think that here on Fchat everyone feels strong emotions for cars: so writing here on a post " Some people have emotions, others not." is a deep insult.

But that's only my opinion, of course.

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It is absolutely mind numbing to me that anyone would pay $4m for this car!

If folks would stop participating in this nonsense, they'd start building NA v12's again. A v6 in a $4m hypercar, por favor!

 

...does anyone here know what a stock catalyzed F40 sounds like?

You don't like the F40 either?

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We'll see how the F80 sounds with an aftermarket exhaust. Maybe great! Reserving judgment in the meantime is sound advice (pun intended).

Still, F50, Enzo and LaF all sounded great out of the box. So it's a step back in that regard, even if (a) it's not without precedent and (b) it's forced upon them by regulators in certain (small) markets.

 

Europe is Ferrari's largest market.

 

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If the LaF came out next year it would sound very very different outside the car to what it did in 2013 when it was released due to all the new regulations.

You just have to compare how muted the 12C is verses the 812SF and F12 from the outside.

But Ferrari are working hard to retain induction and exhaust sound inside the new models.

Nobody on here has heard what the F80 sounds like from the inside, it could be wonderful.

12C at parking speeds is very muted.

 

Looks better than F80.

 

Apparently, those who buy it are very happy... Instead of Ferrari, I'll add 2 M and will produce 1000...I'm curious to see how much you can eat carrots ...

 

I believe those regulations only apply in the EU and UK. Which account for about 20% of sales. Why not offer a costly optional exhaust upgrade in those other markets?

And regardless of the reason, it is the outcome. You might forgive Ferrari if it's beyond their control in your market. But it doesn't change the fact that it's quieter than its predecessors.

I agree that this is what's most important for the lucky owners. I hope they pull it off. I'm not sure how you can get authentic exhaust sound inside a car if it doesn't produce any noise outside the car. But perhaps Ferrari has figured it out. I sure hope so!

 

More like 40%. https://www.statista.com/statistics/695949/total-number-of-car-shipments-made-by-the-italian-sports-car-company-ferrari-by-country-or-region/

 

Still better than F80.

 

The Hyundai Matrix, like most multi-purpose vehicles of its time, is in fact a true monstrosity. Interestingly, the multi-purpose vehicle in the image below is even more monstrous than the Matrix. Do you know who was responsible for its design? A gentleman called Flavio Manzoni when he was Design Director at FIAT.

It turns out that from 1951 until 2012 when it last placed its emblem on the F12 Berlinetta, Pininfarina designed more Ferraris than the years that passed during that period. As often happens in life, there are some in today's Ferrari who subtly try to devalue Pininfarina's legacy, perhaps thinking that this way they value more their designs. But against facts there are no arguments and although there are designs that we can consider better or worse in Pininfarina's portfolio, the reality is that any list where the greatest Ferraris of all time appear is always dominated by Pininfarina's creations.


For those less informed below is the list with most of the models that Pininfarina designed.

Ferrari 212 Inter 1951

Ferrari 375 MM Coupé 1953

Ferrari 250 Europa 1953

Ferrari 375 America 1953

Ferrari 250 Monza 1954

Ferrari 375 Plus 1954

Ferrari 250 Europa GT 1954

Ferrari 410 Superfast 1956

Ferrari 250 GT Cabriolet 1957

Ferrari 250 GT California 1957

Ferrari 250 Testa Rossa 1957 (Pinin Farina Fantuzzi Scaglietti Carlo ChitiGiotto Bizzarrini)

Ferrari 250 GT Coupé 1958

Ferrari 250 GT Spider 1959

Ferrari 400 Superamerica 1960

Ferrari 250 GT 2+2 1960

Ferrari 250 GTL 1962

Ferrari 330 LMB 1963

Ferrari 250 LM 1963

Ferrari 275 GTB and GTS 1964

Ferrari 330 GT 2+2 1964

Ferrari 500 Superfast 1964

Ferrari 275 GTB4 and GTS4 1966

Ferrari 330 GTC and GTS 1966

Ferrari 365 California 1966

Ferrari Dino 206 GT 1967

Ferrari 365 GT 2+2 1967

Ferrari 365 GTB4 “Daytona” 1968

Ferrari 365 GTS4 “Daytona” 1969

Ferrari 365 GTC and GTS 1969

Ferrari Dino 246 GT and GTS 1969

Ferrari 365 GTC4 1971

Ferrari 365 GT4 1972

Ferrari 365 GT4 BB 1973

Ferrari 308 GTB and GTS 1975

Ferrari 400 GT and 400i 1976

Ferrari 512 BB and BBi 1976

Ferrari 208 GTB and GTS 1980

Ferrari Mondial 8 and Quattrovalvole 1980

Ferrari Pinin 1980

Ferrari 208 GTB and GTS Turbo 1982

Ferrari 288 GTO 1984

Ferrari Testarossa 1984

Ferrari 328 GTB and GTS 1985

Ferrari Mondial 3.2 GTB and GTS 1985

Ferrari 412 1985

Ferrari GTB and GTS Turbo 1986

Ferrari F40 1987

Ferrari Mondial T and T Cabrio 1989

Ferrari 348 TB and TS 1989

Ferrari Mythos 1989

Ferrari 512 TR 1992

Ferrari 456 GT and GTA 1992

Ferrari 348 Spider 1993

Ferrari F512 M 1994

Ferrari F355 Coupé, GTS and F355 F1 1994

Ferrari F355 Spider 1995

Ferrari F50 1995

Ferrari 550 Maranello 1996

Ferrari 456M GT and GTA 1998

Ferrari 360 Modena 1999

Ferrari 360 Spider 2000

Ferarri 550 Barchetta 2000

Ferrari Enzo 2002

Ferrari 575M Maranello 2002

Ferrari Chalange Stradale 2003

Ferrari 612 Scaglietti 2004

Ferrari F430 2004

Ferrari 575 Maranello Handling GTC 2004

Ferrari Superamerica 2005

Ferrari F430 Spider 2005

Ferrari FXX 2005

Ferrari P4/5 2006

Ferrari 509 GTB Fiorano 2006

Ferrari 430 Scuderia 2007

Ferrari California 2008

Ferrari 599 XX 2009

Ferrari 458 Italia 2009

Ferrari 599 GTO 2010

Ferrari FF 2011

Ferrari 458 Spider 2011

Ferrari F12 Berlinetta 2012 (Pininfarina last Ferrari in colaboration with Ferrari Styling Centre)



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Of course, this doesn't prove that Pininfarina would design great Ferraris today. I'd guess it's a different group of people there today.

Nor does it mean that only Pininfarina can design great Ferraris.

But it certainly is an impressive list filled with truly great cars.

 

Pininfarina would also have to abide by the packaging and aero restrictions-stipulations set by the engineers, so the overall shape would not have been much different, as it is dictated by the wind tunnel and the CFD software. Since the design is now so intrinsically connected to the engineering requirements, it would be counter-productive to have two different sets of people designing the car, going back and forth on what to do. Some detailing might be different under Pininfarina, but that is a matter of personal preferences of the designer. For example if Manzoni headed Pininfarina, the detailing would be the same... At the end of the day, the top management of Ferrari approves the overall design, so the Pininfarina argument is moot.

 

By the way, while the Hyundai is irredeemably ugly (to European eyes), the FIAT is not. It is a successful design that originates as a panel van and therefore allowed a cheap transition to passenger transport. It has many uses and provides practical, easy-to-use transportation for all of them. Height and door aperture provide ease of entry/exit (needed for a van), vertical rear door is also needed for a van and disabled vehicle conversions - which this vehicle was ideal for, high roof allows use for older people and large space inside adds practicality for families. It was a highly successful vehicle. Doesn’t prove anything re Manzoni/Pininfarina since we know both are capable of doing great work and less great work. The brief from Hyundai and the remit from the manufacturer often influences what designs are possible from the designer so the fact the Hyundai looks ugly is not necessarily down to Pininfarina. The FIAT would have been designed for European tastes whereas the Hyundai would have to meet Asian expectations in terms of dimensions, practicality, how it will be produced, more.

 

I don't think anyone wants to prove that Pininfarina would design great Ferraris today for the very simple reason that today's Pininfarina has nothing to do with the one of the past. But what is absolutely unavoidable is that Pininfarina designed the Ferraris that have the greatest charm and personality and which are easily distinguished from all others.

 

LDM hired a lot of the Pininfarina talent to come work at FDC…. I doubt the PF of today would design something very much different. When given the chance to design their own car, the Battista, which I have seen on many occasions in person, it strikes me as a mash up of design themes from other cars. I don’t think it’s a bad looking car, but it also does not stand out and say something new- which the first supercar from a “new” brand really should.

 

OK, you can report me, ban me or whatever, I don´t give a **** about what you think, bunch of scumbags:

I think the Hyundai Matrix is a cool design.

Drops mic.

 

There might still be hope.

Flavio Manzoni and the Ferrari Design Team: Ferrari has always designed and produced cars that are “visions” in and of themselves. Some of these models have become milestones in automotive history. For us, therefore, designing a “vision” also means making it a style manifesto for the future of the brand exploring new forms of expression that, thanks to their uniqueness, can create a completely new platform. The collaboration with the Gran Turismo video game series represented a concrete possibility to bring to life a project developed within the Advanced Design area of our Style Centre, with the aim of prefiguring the Ferrari Super Car of the future.

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that actually looks interesting and cool though, the f80 is just too boring and blocky I think

 

In 1935 these aerodynamic shapes, as happened with the Blue Bird, had a purpose that was to break world speed records. It was in that year that the Blue Bird reached 301,337 miles per hour (484,955 Km/h) on Boneville Salt Flats of Utah breaking the 300 mph barrier for the first time.
This Ferrari Vision Gran Turismo single-seater on the picture is anything but a GT, and I have serious doubts that it could ever be road legal . I think it's just an wild imagination exercise made by Manzoni and his team, just like the Módulo was in 1970, that will end up coming to nothing.







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