Ferrari F80

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Hyundai Getz was a better version of that, and also one of the recent i30 iterations looks better than an audi a3 or fwd bmw 1 series

 

Honestly it is not the pure speed and acceleration who blew me away in the F1, it is the corner speed, and the breaking. Everything in an F1 happens so crazy fast. in the beginning, the most difficult part for me was to process the informations in my brain, you are just to slow processing the informations when you come from a GT racecar into the F1. I drove F3 too but it is still far far away from the F1. and the F1 is only working at a certain speed, if you are below, you struggle. I have never driven LMP1 or a current Hypercar but I tested LMP2's. The seating position and the cockpit of the F80 reminds me of the seating position in the LMP car, not like the F1 but quite similar to the LMP cars. Still, I love the F80 as she is close to the 499P (but far away from the F1 driving experience)

the difference between a fast sports car and an F1 is like a Falcon 8X vs a F-35...

 

This is a great testimony that highlights the skills that you need to have to drive an F1 in a competitive manner. Something that very few are capable of.

 

Especially since the maps of the F1 Clienti are adapted to be safe and do not deliver their full potential, the objective being to keep customers alive...

 

I would think this is a desirable objective!

 

As for the link between F80 and the current F1, here is what a historical figure, Eddie JORDAN, thinks about it :

In the podcast he produced with David Coulthard, Formula for Success, the Irishman blamed those responsible for the current generation of cars. According to him, even the great performances of the drivers cannot compensate for this. "I mean these cars, and let's be fair to Lewis and Max, and Lando, and what they're doing, an amazing job with these cars. But they are tractors. They are tractors. They weigh 1000 kg, they are massively overloaded," he explained.
"Shame on the rules. Shame on the organizers. And shame on the people who have Formula 1 buried deep in their souls because they have allowed this sport, in my opinion, to take a step, which may never come back from here. And I absolutely hate them for that," Jordan continued.

F80 or F1, same fight, it was clearly and objectively better beforeF80 or F1 same fight, it was clearly and objectively better before !
All this is indeed a kind of regression...

 

Eddie knows what is up. F1 should never have prioritized virtue signaling with green tech (V6 hybrids) at the expense of raw excitement.

Make 2004 great again.

 

Modern F1 cars are MASSIVE in size, BLOATED in weight, and sound like absolute SHEEIT. They have "POWER UNITS" instead of "ENGINES." 90% of time, finish order same as start order, no overtaking anymore!

Virtue signalling F1 is more politics than racing. George Floyd riots required mandatory pre-race DEI "inclusion oaths" during 2021-2023. Me-too movement required elimination of grid girls. And on, and on.

Not surprisingly, Ferrari "super car" modeled after F1 political sheeit-show is as ridiculous as F1 itself.

 

This is precisely why 2025 will be a very special year at Le Mans with the return of two non-hybrid cars with V12 NA engines that will compete against all these hybrid power units with turbo V6s and V8s (with the exception of the Cadillac V-series R which, although it is a hybrid, has an aspirated V8 engine) including the Ferrari 499 P LMH whose power-train and sound served as inspiration for the F80.
Even though these two Aston Martins Valkyrie AMR LMH won't win anything on Le Mans next year race, before taking part they have already unconditionally won first place on the podium in terms of acoustics quality due to the excellency of the sounds generated by the V12 Cosworth NA .

 

They're paid by Ferrari, they wouldn't dare criticize it.

 

I’m sure their drivers are delighted to share the sound of a V12 with the world instead of standing on the real podium.

 

What nonsense. Only 3 of the last 13 races were won by the polesitter. That’s just considering one position - first place. None of the races this year have finished in the starting order.

As for overtakes, see the last two years up to the summer break below. Plenty.

I seem to recall F1 went through periods during Eddie’s time where the winner (Schumacher) was constantly many seconds ahead every race. This year has had multiple pole sitters and multiple winners. If you’re going to complain, at least some accuracy is helpful.
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How do you know they're not going to win?!

 

Check the context - it was a response to MDEL’s hypothetical assertion that they won’t win but will have ‘already won’ because of the sound. My post was just pointing out what I’m sure you already knew; there can’t be a single race driver who thinks like that - preferring 24h of lovely sound over a podium place.

 

When Ferrari themselves call it a "Sound Generator", who are we to argue?

https://www.eurospares.co.uk/Parts/310096/Ferrari

 

I should have written in the event that these two Aston Martins Valkyrie AMR LMH don't win or reach the podium……..

Interestingly with Le Mans rules a hybrid car does not have a clear advantage over a non-hybrid because the maximum total power output of the ICE+electric is restricted to 670 h.p . Also in terms of acceleration the hybrid system doesn’t provide a clear advantage because it can only be deployed above a certain speed (190Km/h for the Toyota and Ferrari, 150 Km/h for the Peugeot).

The hybrid cars don't have either a fuel mileage advantage over the non-hybrid because there is a limitation on the energy used during a period (PPU Energy Stint) that accounts for the electrical energy used. The non-hybrid will need to refuel more times but this does not matter because the refueling rules provide for a recovery of the PPU Energy tank (energy that can be used until the next refueling).

In short, the main advantages of the 4WD hybrids over the Valquyries with RWD will be in the areas of tire wear and wet weather driving. With the power distributed across all four wheels, 4WD tires degrade less than those on RWD cars. In the rain, 4WD gives a greater advantage in terms of grip and faster acceleration.

We'll wait and see, but if the weather conditions help, the Valquyries could be in for a pleasant surprise.

 

I was about to disagree with you, saying it was simply a membrane/resonator like on the 599 GTO, but I looked up the same part at scuderia and they write:

SOUND GENERATOR
Product Description:

Ferrari part number 310096 is a sound generator. It is used to enhance the engine sound of Ferrari vehicles. It is typically installed in the intake manifold or exhaust system, and uses a speaker to generate a more powerful and exciting sound.

Sound generators are often used in turbocharged and hybrid vehicles, as the engines in these vehicles can be quieter than traditional gasoline engines. Ferrari uses sound generators in many of its vehicles, including the 488, California T, F12, GTC4, F8, and SF90.

The purpose of the sound generator is to improve the driving experience by making the car sound more powerful and exciting. It can also help to create a more immersive driving experience, as the driver feels more connected to the car and its engine.

It is important to note that sound generators are not used to increase the actual performance of the car. They simply enhance the sound of the engine.

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310096 SOUND GENERATOR for Ferrari 296, 488 & more

If correct, this is pretty damning. I've read that on the Corvette C8, they play sound through the interior speakers, but unlike for example the GR86/BRZ that plays a synthesized sound, they apparently have a microphone somewhere near the engine and they amplify only certain frequencies of the engine.

Contacted by Motor1.com, Chevrolet has issued a response: “If customers like how the seventh generation sounds, then they will love the sound of the LT2 engine in their 2020 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray. The car actually uses the exact same strategy and execution as all seventh-generation Corvettes, including the 2019 ZR1. It’s important to note, nothing coming out of the speakers would sound like an engine on its own. We rely on the engine for all of the audio content, but given the passby requirements and the multiple cavities between the exhaust tips and the driver, some frequencies are lost and need to be supplemented. This results in an engaging and visceral driving experience, as our seventh-generation owners can attest to.”

In that sense it is not completely synthetic, because the sound is not synthesized as such, it is amplified portions of 'real' engine sound, but I wouldn't call it natural.

The specifics of this Ferrari speaker are unknown to me based on the info above, maybe it simply amplifies the sound it receives through the pipe, maybe it plays sound from one or more microphones around the engine or exhaust, maybe it plays a synthesized sound that mixes with the natural sound in the pipe. The exact strategy determines how synthetic the sound is, but there is no denial that the sound is not natural sound like on the 599 GTO, that pipes in the sound, without any speaker.



In this system part 28 is simply a membrane to only let the sound through (and not air). So the sound is 'natural', it can only be altered or enhanced by the shape and choice of materials. Or as Ferrari themselves wrote in the 599 GTO press release:

A careful choice of materials and geometry has made it possible to bring into the passenger compartment, in correct proportion, and emphasizing some frequencies, the intake sound harmonized with the sound of the exhaust, which present a 6-in-1 manifold scheme, exactly as on the track car.

 

Can someone explain how this is any different to synthesised exhaust sound? We have celebrated Ferrari and other brands for having engineers who tune the exhaust system for sound. This means altering the design of the exhaust to allow certain frequencies to pass through the exhaust given a constant sonic output from the engine. Managing engine noise into the cabin is an important part of producing an emotive driving experience. BMW play noise through the speakers, which is too far for me, although I prefer it to nothing if the sound inside is bad. In the case of Ferrari, all the sounds originate from the engine and are not played through the i.c.e. speakers. I could not in good conscience praise a tuned exhaust and criticise a system that allows more mechanical sound into the cabin. If I’m paying the very hefty entry fee, it’s about time similar focus was placed on what the driver hears instead of just the onlooker.

 

If it was technically possible to have an EV that played synthesized engine sounds so convincingly that it sounded as good as a N/A V12 or whichever engine it is emulating, I would have no objection to it. It would be great. Perhaps the electric Ferraris are like that. I fear they will not be convincing though, because even the best of computer games struggle with convincing engine sounds, and they put a lot of effort in some of the games. And whenever I watch a YouTube review of a new car, I can immediately tell something is off with the sound if they play engine sounds through the cabin speakers, and it usually sounds terrible through the recording, though it might sound less terrible in person. Many people don't mind it though.

To be honest I have not noticed the fakery in 296 reviews, so I guess there is merit to placing the speaker inside the sound tube as opposed to using the speakers in the cabin. But when you say "all the sounds originate from the engine", this is not true, because some of it originates from this speaker. The audio signal being played by the speaker might originate from engine sounds like on the Corvette, but we don't know that in Ferrari's case. Either way, if employed in the F80 it might make for a great engine sound inside the car, which is what matters in the end. So I was not criticizing the system, I was merely showing - without passing judgement - that while possibly not synthetic, it is certainly not natural and thus artificial on the F-cars with the sound generator. Which is basically all of them these days (see list).

All this in response to below statements.

In the case of the 599 GTO, this is true. In F-cars with sound generator, it is certainly artificial, and possibly synthetic.

As shown, in modern F-cars it is not simply a matter of "having the monocoque arranged so that more sound enters the cabin", so I have argued otherwise without passing judgement on the practice.

 

After looking into it a bit for my previous posts, the 296 apparently has both a hot tube (to pipe in sound from the exhaust) and a 'cold' tube (to pipe in sound from the intake) in which they placed the sound generator.

In the SF90 family they placed the sound generator in the hot tube (or in a third hot tube) if I understand correctly. That begs the question what kind of sounds they are playing through the speaker.

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The F80 probably has hot and cold tubes too, and since it shares the engine with the 296, it might also have a sound generator in the cold tube.

 

F35? Isn't that damning the F1 car with faint praise?

The only objective metric is the stopwatch (power rating, weight, aero numbers and all that that too, but all these are manifested through overall performance) and the F80 is clearly superior to any Ferrari that came before it in this regard. All else (looks, sound etc) are subjective.

 

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[QUOTE="The only objective metric is the stopwatch (power rating, weight, aero numbers and all that that too, but all these are manifested through overall performance) and the F80 is clearly superior to any Ferrari that came before it in this regard. All else (looks, sound etc) are subjective.[/QUOTE]

Regarding the looks and sound being subjective, they are but to curtain extend.
Back in the days, one can argue that he fancies Linda or Cindy or Naomi or Claudia more than the others(Sorry for the Millennials, don't know anyone from their era
But no one with eyes can argue all are(were) beautiful.
Can anyone call ugly any of the trinity, LaF P1 or 918? Doubt it.
Regarding sound , one can say that prefers one over the other but no one will complain on NA Ferraris prior to 2020(or so).
So beauty and sound can also be objective , once that they reach excellence.
Below that level, yes ,very

 

I think you and the people that agreed with your post are misunderstanding. There is no ‘speaker’ in the intake system. This post from 2016 explains…

The intake sound generator, similar to the system used on Porsche and McLaren, is a diaphragm inserted into the intake that amplifies certain frequencies and limits others. To imagine there could be an artificial electronic sound-generating speaker inserted into the intake manifold with microphones around the engine bay is somewhat amusing if you think about it. The intake system has a pretty important job to do regarding airflow after all!

 

Now, to contradict my self
The views can certainly change,
My example, I hated Daniel Craig first time I saw it in Casino Royale 2006.
Ended up very sad when they killed him in No time to die.
I couldn't belive my eyes when I saw 720s for the first time, I thought it was hideous.
Ended up in line to buy one.