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  1. RP

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    Where did this car come from? Who built it? Does it still exist? From the photos, it looks very nice.
     
  2. RP

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    Certainly most of you remember that years ago, it was not only OK, but quite the right thing to do to buy a chassis and have a special one-off body made just for you. Even today, there are shops in Italy that will do conversions/modifications on exisiting vehicles.

    I would agree with the opinion that using an existing chassis to create a replica is not kosher, but to come up with a one off design sounds very interesting. No, I would not use a car that already is in limited supply or already a one-off. And if it were made by known fabricators like Tom Meade, then you might have something exciting. Even Enzo was OK with Tom's work.
     
  3. fish78

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    Yes, each of us is responsible to live our lives to our maximum self interest. We do not have the responsibility to subjugate our self interest to that of another.
     
  4. tritone

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    Is that the spirit of Ayn Rand stirring in the background.......?


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  5. fish78

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    Yes, but it is not in the background.

    OK, we are getting close to the answer here, somebody say it.
     
  6. Bryanp

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    um, buy yourself a miata and turn it into a (very) SWB Cal Spider?

    you are my soul brother in P&R, fish, but you gotta let this one go; you're in Vintage country here.
     
  7. Horsefly

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    It sounds like the spirit of Lord Brockett is among us.
     
  8. fish78

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    No, the answer is that the replica represents the unauthorized use of another's property. So, if we are to be true to our self we cannot take what belongs to another. In short, the real reason to discourage replicas is that it is not your own work...I think that is the position Ferrari has taken in the past. So, if you take a GTE or any Ferrari that you own and crush it, you are within your rights, but if you change it to resemble something it was not, you steal from he who owns the original...that is why property rights need to be absolute...the design is also property...Now, I still don't think it is our place to condem those who don't respect those rights, but It does demonstrate why I would never participate in such activity.
     
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    Not a Cal Spider, but still neat
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  10. CMY

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    I think the Miata is quickly replacing the Fiero..
     
  11. Horsefly

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    Is the driver wearing a helmet so people won't recognize him? I'll bet his bumper sticker says "My OTHER car is a Gremlin".
     
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    That's not a Ferrari emblem on there is it!?!
     
  14. andrewg

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    does anybody know where you get the miata/daytona body kit?
     
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    I had to laugh at that quote. I have a friend with a Lusso and he used to drive around with that exact line posted in his rear window.
     
  18. RP

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    Interesting article in the March 2006 Sports Car Market concerning the topic of "recreations".
     
  19. Ed_Long

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    Very well said. Thank you.

    Does the factory have an official position on recreations, modifications, replicas and such? I seem to recall several articles in Cavallino perhaps two years ago on the factory plans for an authentication program in which the owner would pay a fee to have a factory rep authenticate that the owner's car was the real thing. Was that program implemented or dropped? I have not heard much about it for awhile. Maybe this has been throttled to death in previous posted, if so, I apologize for bringing it up again. In the dark,
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    The factory does have an authentication program and it is the opposite of what you have stated. Unless your car is 100% as it left the Ferrari factory it is not able to be authenticated.

    There is an example on this board where a 100% genuine car has had it's differential replaced (due to maintenance) with a correct part and Ferrari will not authenticate the car. Perdantic is the right word ... thus these hacked cars, even if converted back to original would I suspect never be genuine Ferraris according to the factory :(.

    Thus you cannot bribe Ferrari into authenticating your car as you suggested ;)
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  21. RP

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    Factory has an army of lawyers out trying to stop the unauthorized use of the name Ferrari. They do not appreciate those that make 308/328's in to GTO lookalikes and try to call them real Ferraris. Same with manufacturers
    og modle cars, only Mattel has the legal right. I would do the same if I were "Ferrari".

    They do not frown on customizing, rebodying, etc, as long as it is not presented as a real Ferrari design or build.
     
  22. Old Guy

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    Every statement you made in this post, save the last, is incorrect. And by the way "Perdantic" is not the right word; as a matter of fact, it isn't even a word. (I assume you're thinking of "pedantic.")

    I suspect that you, and many other, don't know anything about the factory's certification program except what you've heard second and third and fourth hand. I don't know about the example you cite of a differential being replaced and have little interest in spending time trying to find it. I do have first-hand knowledge of a car which had its transaxle replaced with one of the correct type but a different number. The car was certified by the factory, with a note concerning the gearbox number in the certificate book.

    The same procedure is followed for a car which has an engine of the correct type but the wrong serial number. It will receive a certificate with a notation on the engine. If the proper engine is ever re-installed, the certificate is updated to remove the note.

    Whatever issues may exist with the factory's certification program, they are nothing like what you describe.

    O.Gl
     
  23. John Vardanian

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    My friend, you are tainting the intended meaning of “responsibility” with the old "I, me, mine" philosophy.

    If you make this your mantra, eventually you’ll have aeropales crashing into your buildings again.

    john
     
  24. fish78

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    We cannot serve anyone's interests but our own and live up to our maximum potential. Altruism is the call of the underachiever, the Toohey's of the world. As a result of each man exerting his self interest, society is moved forward...it is the only way a society can advance.
     
  25. Julio Batista

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    Ahhh... in what direction does this "society" advance? What is forward?
     

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