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  1. B R

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    Great stuff Stephen. I love how primitive Willow looked back then, not that it's changed a whole lot since!

    It's probably been asked a million times before, but what's the deal with the tubes/vents in the center of your dash? I assume it's a custom mod?
     
  2. CMY

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    There were one or two shots I recognized as Laurel Canyon, Stunt Road, and maybe the top of Coldwater? I know them all pretty well, but it's hard to tell sans the landmarks of today.

    Either way, that video made me wish for a time machine. ;)
     
  3. wetpet

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    thank you very much. gave me a big smile on a day i could use it.
     
  4. wetpet

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    don't know for sure, but my guess is "air conditioning".
     
  5. jjmcd

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    Thanks for another wonderful video. Very atmospheric!

    For anyone who hasn't seen them yet, here are some other Mitchell videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCfItWwi2V8 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-5JNxVVkDA&feature=related

    Here is an article, which I found posted elsewhere on the web:

    GTO Impressions
    Article about the Ferrari 250 GTO
    By: Stephen Mitchell

    The 250GTO #3987 was the third car I'd ever owned. The first was a 3.8 E-Type Jaguar. It was a beautiful car, but featured a low-revving six cylinder with an unsynchronized first gear that was like a granny gear off a truck. The car was more at home on the open road than negotiating the beach canyons of Los Angeles. The second was a Ferrari Berlinetta Lusso. It was very different from the Jaguar with its V12 redlined at 7000 rpm. The Lusso loved the canyons as much as it did the highway. Just as the Lusso was a world apart from the E-Type, so was the GTO an advance over the Lusso. It was a high-revving V12 with six Webers and the gearbox was a 5 speed compared to the Lusso?s 4 speed. I don?t recall which final drive ratio it had, but upon entering a freeway, I would be passing the fastest traffic before needing to shift to second gear. This was worlds apart from the E-Type that would barely get you to 25 mph before requiring a shift to second. Seen in the context of its time, there was nothing quite like the GTO. From 1967-70, 3987 was my principal form of transportation, though I also had an Alfa-Romeo Giulia Veloce spider and the family Cadillac as back up.

    When entering the cockpit, I never got used to the fact that the pedals were so close. Im 5'10" and my knees were splayed around the steering wheel in an effort to fit into the car. Anyone who has ever made this complaint about a Lusso or GTE never sat in a GTO! This lack of legroom was probably a result of the rearward placement of the engine for better weight distribution. The bulkhead behind the seat limited aft seat travel, so there was no way to adjust for comfort. I always had it in mind to have the pedals moved forward, but never did. I once had a conversation with Mark Slotkin, a former owner of 3987, and he also had a list of things he wanted to do with the car that were never done. You adapt to the GTO, it doesn?t adapt to you. I've heard similar remarks made about the Old Man. Headroom was fine and the seat was comfortably wide. One of my favorite things about the car was the position of the gear lever in relation to the steering wheel. Visually, that marvelous aluminum gear knob looked as though it would be too high for comfort. One is accustomed to having to reach down for the lever to shift. With the GTO, the knob was only inches away from the wheel, so shifts could be made very quickly with a short lateral move of the hand. In front of you, the tachometer had a telltale that would move to--and remain at-- the highest revs attained. I rarely exceeded 7500 rpm. The view forward was defined by the two dramatic fender bulges and the power bulge in the center of the hood that made room for the twelve velocity stacks above the six Webers. It was a very exciting place to be!

    When turning and pushing the ignition key, one was treated to a peculiarity common to Ferraris of the time. The starter motor made a constant whine instead of the more cyclical sound of most starters. To me, it was reminiscent of an aircraft starter. The engine always fired easily and suddenly you would feel the nervous tension of twelve cylinders turning over at 1000 rpm. It took awhile to warm up thanks to the dry-sump and large oil tank. First gear was to the left and back in the slotted gate and the clutch would engage directly without the care required by the Lusso.

    For the first 3000 miles that I drove 3987, I kept it to 5000 rpm, as I recall. I did this on the advice of my mechanic, Sal DiNatale, who had just rebuilt the engine. The day I got the car out of the garage (the engine was in pieces when I bought the car) I drove it to Phoenix, Arizona as a break-in trip. A friend of the family was directing an episode of the television series - Then Came Bronson- on location in Tempe and I thought it would be a good opportunity to get to know the car. I left Los Angeles about 9pm and drove all night. Apart from the yoga position my legs had to adopt, the car was very peasant to drive. The sound of it was louder than the Lusso and the suspension was clearly race-tuned. Even at the conservative revs I was using, the car was delightful to drive and must have been a sight to other drivers on the road with its two orange ?Le Mans? lights lit up on the roof. That night I became accustomed to hearing a car breath for the first time. It is the interesting sound of air being sucked through the twelve velocity stacks as you increase pressure on the accelerator pedal. I might have heard this on the Lusso were it not for the air filter masking the sound. But, this was new to me and re-enforced the fact that this was a race car. I also had the impression of the timing chains being noisier than those on the Lusso. This may have been owing to the lack of insulation, but it was thrilling to hear all the noises that are usually subdued. It made every drive an adventure. Sometimes, believe it or not, the Lusso was just transportation. The GTO never let you forget it was a star!

    The day came when I was given the go-ahead by Sal to let it out and see what the car could do. I did. Up to that time, I had only taken it to 5000 rpm and was already in love with the car. Imagine what happened the first time I took it to 7500! At about 6-6500 rpm, the sound of the engine changes entirely from a low pitched growl to a high pitched banshee scream. It was a transcending experience and it felt like the car was thanking you for giving it release. It was an adrenaline rush every time I experienced it. Fortunately, the people in my neighborhood appreciated this sound and would often stop me in public to convey their amazement about the car. I was often stopped in public by members of the California Highway Patrol who also seemed to appreciate the sound.

    The racing history of the GTO speaks for itself. My time with the car was subsequent to its time on the track, but prior to the organization of historic races that feature these cars today. However, I did instigate or take part in a great many informal gathering during which other cars of its kind were present. One very memorable event was staged at Willow Springs Raceway. My acquaintance and fellow GTO owner Mario Tosi wanted to have a farewell party for his GTO, so a bunch of us went with him and spent the day racing our cars on the track. Present that day were three GTOs (Cord/Tosi/Mitchell), a California spider (Peter Helm) and at least a half-dozen other cars. It was a great afternoon. For at least half the day, I was letting different people ride as passengers and it is interesting how this affects the handling dynamics when near the limit. The oil sump tank is located behind the passenger seat and probably provides some natural balance to offset the driver?s weight. The car was fairly neutral?though not in the way that a mid-engined car is neutral?and would oversteer on command. I liked the handling and it was a very forgiving car in my experience. On many occasions, the car would be seen in tandem with the famous Breadvan, which then belonged to my friend Matthew Ettinger. He, too, used his car as personal transportation and many are the times that we jointly recorded ?Fastest Time of the Day? on one or more of southern California?s highways and byways.

    The GTO was well-suited for sustained high-speed runs, as one would expect. Very often, I would get in the car and drive it from my home in Los Angeles to Las Vegas, Nevada. On these occasions, the car performed without any complaint and I would maintain a cruising speed in the 140 mph range, slowing to about 80 mph when approaching other cars that I would be passing. It never overheated or displayed any temperament. The only concessions to street driving were the installation of an electric fan for the radiator and the use of cooler spark plugs. If the GTO had any agenda of its own, it wanted to go faster. No matter how fast one was traveling, it was always the easiest thing in the world to make it go faster. After driving at 145 mph for a time, the slightest input took the car to 150 and above.

    If one were to compare the GTO?s performance figures to those of more recent cars, one might begin to wonder what the fuss was all about. Even Porsche 911s that came not too long after could match it dynamically. The GTO was the dominant GT of its time and though that time has passed, what hasn?t is the manner in which the GTO delivers its performance. It had a personality as defined and characteristic as the man whose name it bore. It is a genuine icon with all of the history, myth, legend and chicanery attached to it that one would expect of a car now valued in the millions of dollars. The memory of the engine screaming as it came on the cam and the snick-snick of that excellent gear change makes almost any other car irrelevant to me. I was able to enjoy the car in a way that current owners wouldn?t dream of. That wouldn?t stop me for a minute, however, if the opportunity to have it back again ever presented itself.
     
  6. stevenwk

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    Thanks....it's been a long time since I've been out that way. Hard to tell from the footage and that it's been so long for me. I used to love driving thru Topanga Canyon to the beach 20 yrs ago from my house just off of Ybarra and Topanga. How great it must have been another 20 before that!!!
     
  7. Bisonte

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    That's a fantastic video with some great footage. Thanks for sharing it. :)
     
  8. Ashman

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    Simply stunning footage of a time gone by. Thanks for making this available for us to view and reminisce.
     
  9. krasnavian

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    Thanks again for your enthusiastic appreciation. They were fine times and great cars.

    The tubes in question were fabricated replacements for vents coming out of the heater unit. The originals had been lost or discarded before I acquired the car. I should have gotten plastic 'elbows' from a plumbing supply because that's what the originals looked like.

    The canyon roads were Mulholland between the 405 and Coldwater Canyon, both sides of Beverly Glen and, early on, a turning from Van Nuys Blvd onto Valley Vista eastbound heading towards Beverly Glen.

    Ed, that may very well have been your 330. Didn't run into all that many of them on the roads even then.
     
  10. darth550

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    Absolutely mind blowing! Thanks for sharing and I can't wait for Wednesday! :D
     
  11. krasnavian

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    Thanks! We missed you last night--had a great turn out of movie & Ferrari people.
     
  12. fatbillybob

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    awesome footage thanks for posting! I was 9 living by the beach in L.A. when you were driving those canyons. I race willow springs today it still looks the same and yet different in many ways. Fast forward 30 years will there be no oil on that track as we all race electric cars?
     
  13. tichi

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    There are no words to describe how that clip ignited my imagination...thank you:)
     
  14. RacerX_GTO

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    This was an incredible video! Words cannot describe!! Much thanks for the time to put this marvelous piece of GTO history together and share the footage!

    (imagine how many other untold stories there are out there! :) )
     
  15. darth550

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    Highway Star in the background was sublime too!
     
  16. Forexpreneur

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    Wow. Thank you for sharing. I just love video's like this from previous vintage owners who drove these cars as if though they were a 240Z. That is what a Ferrari is supposed to be about. Drive them, drive them, and drive them. Let others enjoy seeing them. Don't just throw them in a garage for a select few to see.

    I vow to one day own a LHD 64 GTO and to drive the damn thing. Rally races, driving to vintage shows, and racing in vintage races and to give rides in it. The GTO is one of the most incredible cars and to me the 64 is the ultimate.

    Thanks for sharing the video.
     
  17. 246tasman

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    Great film, loved the Cal Spyder jeep. I suspect there are a few on this site who still wouldn't see the joke.

    Can Krasnavian or someone else help clarify this: S Mitchell (Steve/Krasnavian?) is stated as the owner of 3987GT from 1965-71 in the books & on the web. Didn't I hear him say on the film that he was 19 in 1969 when the film was shot? So did he buy the car aged 15 or 16?
     
  18. 365GTC/4

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    Thank you very much Stephen. They are just great. Very nostalgic.
    John
     
  19. Forexpreneur

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    Yes you did hear that and yes he would have to have been 16 or so when he bought 3987GT. Incredible to think because even back then the GTO was Rolls money. Not bad for a 16 year old huh? ;)
     
  20. Nembo1777

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    Thanks Stephen:

    Merveilleux:)!

    Army Cal spyder very funny would love to have seen the stuffy brigade's reaction...

    best regards,

    Marc
     
  21. krasnavian

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    The record of ownership that I've seen published in various places is incorrect. I bought 3987 in 1967 from a fellow whose name I don't remember. He was a musical arranger--for Sonny & Cher--and sold the car to me so he could buy a pearl white 427 Cobra. I've never seen any reference to him as an owner. In 1966 I bought my first Ferrari--a Lusso. In 1965, I bought my first car--the last of the 3.8 E-type Jaguars.
     
  22. smartteen

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    Stephen, merci et félicitations pour cette merveilleuse vidéo, j'ai visionné tes 3 vidéos qui sont de véritables documents d'anthologie.
    Many thanks for sharing, you are a lucky great man.
    Guy (France)
     
  23. etienne

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    A big, big "thank you" for this video ! and very good choice for Deep Purple ! great memories for me...
     
  24. ggjjr

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    Steven,
    any chance you might be having a "cars and coffee" up Monterey way during the festivities?

    George
     
  25. lord.brett

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    Une belle bande de sauvageons

    J'adore ;)

    Merci
     

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