Ferrari investigating 'hole nose' leak

Let's blame Mclaren it save's time in the long run, Oh I forgot, Max is tied up at the min...

 

+1 you beat me to it Steve, maybe Nigel Stepney sneaked in and gave the drawings to AutoSprint.

 

Once again, the issue isn't McLaren, another team or the media wanting the information. Its team employees willing to divulge the information. God forbid another team copying the dammed thing now that it's made its debut. I'm sure who ever does Ferrari will claim foul.

Yellowbird you were posting lots of info about it a good while ago. Maybe you're the informant? Or someone you know?

 

Hehe .. you never know Tony.

Got to admit the thought did cross my mind...god forbid though he does a great service here with pic's..

 

And this is a new thing? Spying has always been an accepted part of F1 and racing in general. It was never a big deal until last year.....:/

 

I remember all the pictures and speculation coming out before the season, didn't think we would have to deal with this crap again.

 

Just take the McCheaters points now and be done with it.

 

Well, there has been always burglars in the world but nobody wants to eliminate the Police for that...

If I were Aldo Costa, I´d be worried.

 

My house getting robbed is more important than any kind of sport. I could care less if a multimillion dollar company loses a few secrets. It's sport, not life and death. The italian police are ridiculous.

 

"his greatest flaw was his fairness...."

 

Mike you get a sense some people want to panish McLaren forever?

 

oh boy, does that mean we will have another Max SM video soon ?

 

Autosport's technical section looks like it is created using the teams' own blueprints. Who cares?

How long does anyone think it will take for another team to emulate Ferrari's nose holes? How long did it take for other teams to run high noses once Tyrell showed up with one? Next race? Next day, even?

 

I admit, I knew about it. It is my fault, I leaked (not the information, I just had to go really bad). I get blamed for everything else anyway. Yellowbird is innocent. So here and now I will tell you about the next design innovation from Ferrari:

 

As every day passes I am able to repeat "I told you so".

Ferrari should look (as they finally maybe are) at their own house and sort that out and appologise to the F1 community for leaking all this information. They really are pathetic!. They surely realise by now (everybody else in F1 has for 50+ years) that many, many people desperately need their information to reduce their teams R&D costs. Think about it: pay a Ferrari team member an extra $50,000 a year to pass information to you ... compared to a couple of million of testing and wind tunnel testing, getting further away from the answer. Makes perfect financial sense ... heck you could pay that team member much more and still come out on top!

Ofcourse they are probably doing this on purpose so they can cry foul and steal another WDC if required ... shameful.
Pete
ps: We should also consider that these magazines (and other teams) now hire clever people in this area, and thus a couple of photos and a few hours thinking by somebody that has been involved in this area ... can lead to an 80% understanding of what Ferrari is doing, and why ... enough to create a reasonable article, and enough for another team to copy ... pretty well.

Thus Ferrari shnt up and get over it, and allow the cheapest form of technology transfer to continue ... levelling the F1 field in the process, a major plus for the spectators, and the health of F1 in general.

 

There's been speculation floating around some formula 1-specific forums about this nose hole for nearly a year now. There's forum I snoop around in particular where users went as far as producing their own flow analysis diagrams, testing the theories and some produced some strikingly similar designs. Sounds like a tabloid story to me.

 

Just had to check the rules to make sure it was ok to post the link:

http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=4589

Interesting read, lots of knowledgeable people, check page 7 in the thread.

 

Don´t forget that Formula 1 teams are enterprises in the real world, and that industrial espionage between enterprises is forbidden by the laws of all countries. If your business was being robbed wouldn´t you care?

This is something that must be punished. But anyway, I think that maybe Luca & Co. took the affair of last year too far.

 

Next year, wich is a lot.

But this is a different case and I suppose that thehole won´t bring a quantum leap in performance.

 

Sir, I know it was Massa who gave you this data. I know it

 

I think that you´ve lost the point in this a few months ago. So you just find espionage perfectly OK because it´s effcient and cheap... Therefore, I can steal a Ferrari right now, because I would have to work hard for years to buy one, it´s more reasonable to just take it.

As I said, Formula 1 is not "just a game between amateurs", it involves corporations of "the real world" and lots of money, and industrial espionage is not allowed by the rules of the sport nor by the laws of all countries, we just can´t keep our eyes closed because "it´s a good way to keep the sport moving ahead". Even the guys at McLaren admit this, so for me there is no question about it.

Another thing is that Luca exploited the issue too much, I agree on that, but that´s another story.

Anyway, as Red Bull´s head designer said, this thing of the hole is something that all teams have been working on for years. The Williams nose of 2004 was a version of the same concept. It seems that Ferrari are the first ones who make it work but it´s nothing revolutionaire and although I suppose that there is a leak somewhere at Maranello, the guys of the magazine didn´t need access to any kind of blueprints or something "serious" like that.

 

That's awesome! Thanks for the link

 

F1, even for Ferrari has nothing to do with their road cars. So your comparison to stealing a road car is wrong. And please do not mention paddle shifters in road Ferraris because that really is simply Ferrari selling cars with useless gimics that are not relevant or necessary to improve a road car. The time a gearshift takes does not matter with a road car ... and if it does then watch out, the legal people will come and take it away saying you are racing on the street!

And that my friend is where we have to agree to disagree. F1 is just a game to see who is the fastest, there should NOT be any corporation and industrial espionage possible. Remember they cannot sell a F1 car ... so thus it IS just a game.

The money is made from association to F1, not actually selling F1 products. Brings me back to my point that sponsorship and too much money is killing the concept of F1, which is supposed to be free thinking engineers ... allowed to make the best car without having to worry about stupid "Ferrari has already done that, so you can't" bollocks.

F1 got to this "almost" great point THROUGH copying and improving other teams cars ... remove that and F1 becomes another spec series where the cars might as well be designed by the FIA .
Pete