Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Because . . . it's the one who's core characteristic is least likely to be surpassed next time around?

 

I know. I was just having fun with the name.

 

Because....RESALE!

 

And which one appeals to you the least?

 

I thought we took the $$$ thing off the table, when all we did was eliminate operating costs.

My bad.

Thanks, ARTNNYC!

 

The P1..It is basically a modified 12C no matter what McLaren and everyone else says

 

If money never came into the picture...still the 918...it will be the car of the future...it is a car with multiple personalities and driving modes which would keep me interested for years to come plus Porsche has stated that will continually offer updates as they come online

 

I agree, saying that 99% of the owners won't be able to do a sub 7 minute lap at the NS therefore it's not important is senseless.

Do you use your smatphone to it's full capabilities, your computer, your trainers, your TV, etc.? Probably not, yet you want (and probably own) the one with the best performance and characteristics.

 

Gents I have to tell you the tyres are not a cup style tyre ! They were developed for grip , alweather use AND ECONOMY !

Very impressive , with witnesses to boot . This is a luxurious all weather , Supercar , that's fully loaded with burmester sound systems etc etc . It's a damn spider and was never meant to be a track day special . Like I said it was touted to me as a Porsche veyron light .

This could be very embarrassing for he that claimed he would kill everything on track first time out ..

However I believe the la Ferrari is King Kong when it comes to value and desirability , the mclaren is in danger of being left alone at the party without a date . That is a pity IMHO .

Btw
On non e rated tyres 918 laps at 6:48 .

 

Hmm... worried? Remember, Porsches first time at the ring was 7:14. McLaren's very first run was 7:04. I don't thinks so.

 

So your right and everyone else is wrong then??

 

It's not the first run matey . They were there before and it was only a few seconds slower .
Customer cars are being delivered in next 10 days and the weather will be changing at the ring now .
When will they do it and will they be timed by independents with witnesses etc ?
Just with the tyre advantage the p1 should crucify the the 918 ( sorry I don't know about the la Ferrari tyres ) . This car was touted as the ultimate track car while Porsche created a do it all , luxuriously appointed CABRIO and Ferrari o rolling work of glorious art .
Anything less than TOTAL domination by the Big Mac is a huge failure in my eyes . As a British company it hurts me to say that but it's true .

 

Back then porsche was very much still into development of the car, while P1 is done with development and was sent to break lap record

 

They have said numerous times that the 4RM is an asset only in bad weather. Around a track RWD is faster and purer; a RWD FF would be quicker at Fiorano as they put it. That is why on the FF has it.

 

Porsche made 7-14 last year from standing start...

 

Who's "they"? And what exactly makes the overweight GTR so fast if it's not due to AWD?

 

"They" are Ferrari and they have stated so when they launched the 4RM. The GTR is so much more than just a 4WD system.

 

You can see towards the end the non track tyres were dead , he was basically waiting for the front to bite . Would be devastating on cup style rubber .

I think there may be merit to such high power / torque cars having 4wd . It's twice the amount of rubber to spread 900 pounds feet of torque over . I know tc and tyre technology is massively improved but there's only so much that can deal with , especially on real roads , surfaces , cambers etc .

 

I suspect that's precisely the reason the 918 is as fast as it is on the NS, and part of the reason why the P1 hasn't been as fast as expected. The NS is bumpy, poorly paved, with lots of camber and elevation changes. If the P1 isn't allowed to run its trick "track mode" suspension to full effect because of that, it will have its biggest supposed advantage (downforce) cut down, and have to deal with the problem of putting 900+ HP to a less than optimal road surface with reduced traction. Under NS circumstances, the Porsche can use more of its power, more of the time. On a more conventional, F1 style track, the advantage would go back to the McLaren.

It's a meaningful lesson for which one would be quicker and more useable on real world roads.

 

Source? Rwd is not faster. May be lighter but not faster. If the weight disadvantage is overcome by the traction advantage, it is slower. And BTW I was talking about an electric version and bad weather.

 

If you go through all the videos and interviews of that time you will find it somewhere. The fact that the more sporting and faster Ferrari's don't have, it proves it after all.

 

AWD is MUCH faster if engineered correctly especially once power levels reach the numbers these cars have. The Porsche's front system decouples above 146 MPH so parasitic loss is minimized at high speeds.. If you fail to believe me look up the Trans Am series when Audi started running AWD. It was banned due to its speed advantage...

 

What a wonderful thing to remind us of , thanks matey

 

The 918 advantage is 4WD done correctly (even better than the GT-R because of independent control of the front wheels) and 4W steering. Those are huge advantages over 2WD and 2W steering.

 

My understanding is the motors and 4wd system are improved versions of the Hybrid Cup Racers systems .