Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

LOL

 

Maybe mclaren should think less about aerodynamics and more about engine, they planned to put again the same engine into they next model, it will be third car with the same engine

 

Now that made me laugh out loud

 

What for you is a meaning for same engine? Displacement? Like 3.8? Well you must inform you better because they change engine block, cylinder head, exhaust, gearbox and clutch. Engine size of 3.8 is same for tax reasons in some countries but if you know about mechanics, you know that one engine is not the same of another engine just because they have same displacement. You have little knowlege of the mechanics?

 

Well, Ferrari is using the ""same"" (note quotation marks) engine in the FF, F12 and now LaFerrari.

Not the ideal thing, but... they have to make some money.

 

Poor sales. For example in Switzerland - first 6 months of 2013, with the first six months of 2012.

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1771420&stc=1&d=1378982987

10 more FF's than Mc12c's. LOL
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When mclaren and Mercedes took separate ways after the slr, I wondered who would have made the most successful sportscar. Merc's won that.

 

The only cars gaining YOY there are Roller and Bentley...

LOL

 

Things are moving slowly in Switzerland!

 

So is all of Europe.......

 

And then what does make you think LaFerrari has same engine as the F12? 6.3L?

 

You talk with me?

 

Very interesting discussion on the Mclaren forum; no need to turn this into a bash fest; but basically the car discharges & recharges twice per lap of the ring; as you can imagine - its not the full 900hp then for that lap. (this would also explain the rumored fast time on the sjorter track in Spain)
Also that they were basically sent back to the ring (by marketing dept) for a fast lap. The poster also stayed that he felt reg-braking would have been a better option than the electric motor....
Anyhow - it was intersting - glad the poster shared this info...
Kevin

 

I am that poster and I experienced the p1 first hand yesterday.
I spent time with the p1 on the roads before the motorshow . Apparently the car discharges and charges its batteries twice during one lap of the ring . One person there told me that they "had to go back" to the nurburgring and it did not seem something led by the engineers more a marketing thing . I can tell you it is faster in a straight line than the 918 at the very top end . It is a good looking and fast car but I will not be buying it .
Please don't push me to say more as I want to explain to my dealer first why . They have been so lovely to me , very kind and enthusiastic . they are true enthusiasts like us . Mclaren are a brilliant race team and prospect for road cars. even the chief of the 918 project told me that the 12c was a fantastic car , brilliant for a first effort . they deserve to do very well and i am sure with some changes at the top and middle they will . the engineers are fine and do not need changing . they are world class , WORLD CLASS You must all believe me . the thing is they need to be given more money and more freedom to create newer products not have to modify everything to make it seem new . as for the p1 It is in many ways glorious and I'm sure those of you that know precisely what you are getting and can get your head round that will enjoy it and I congratulate you from the bottom of my heart .
The p1 is not a million pound car , there's far too much 12c in it for that and the fit and finish / interior is not even close to the asking price . Regardless of the ringtime , I'm out . Now someone help me get a la Ferrari from somewhere or someone !

 

Doom - thanks; your comments were very intersting, and appreciated... First hand knowledge is always the best
Kevin

 

This is a huge issue and explains a lot. P1 charges from the Petrol Engine only not by recapturing Braking energy.

Even 918 which AFAIK also recharges from recapturing braking energy ran out of charge by the end of it's 6:57 Lap. 918 also has more battery capacity so pre charged it can last longer but still once it has to rely on Petrol to charge it slows down as evidenced by it's speed on the first straight vs it's speed on the last straight which is longer.

It would be very interesting to see what a second lap looked like on both these cars.

 

Just out of curiosity, do we have the terminal velocities it achieved down these straights?

 

Look at the speedo and you can see the numbers..first straight is over 300kph

 

From the Video of the 6:57 lap +300KPH on the first straight under 300KPH on the longer last one.

For reference our VMAX was about 270KPH at that point. (6:51 lap)

 

Thank you sir.
Amazing to think that the Enzo had 308 km/h down the long straight.

 

918 with it's larger battery capacity (more weight) almost made a full hot lap but according to WTDoom and others P1 needs to recharge from Petrol as it doesn't have KERS braking recharging 2X during the lap.

AFAIK La Ferrari has both Petrol and KERS braking recharging as does 918 but if 918 with more batteries can't make a full lap (based on VMAX falling off) I wonder if La Ferrari will be able too?

As others have said P1 may be a short track wonder that needs to recharge with petrol before it can run another. 918's 6:57 may be it's road legal limit although there are some who say it went 6:48 on race rubber.

It will be very interesting to see how La Ferrari does and if fully charged it can last for an entire Ring Hot Lap.

 

The good thing with the Ferrari is that even if it does run out of electricity, the engine is the most powerful of the three.

 

At the Ring that is less important than downforce and mechanical grip. The Veyron was crazy fast on the straight but it's Ring Time wasn't. Enzo's Ring time was 7:25 with less VMAX 918 was 6:57.

 

That will help for sure and the rest will be up to downforce and mechanical grip at Ring ride height.

 

LaFerrari is also lighter.

Given that so many of us thought that P1's aero would give it the biggest advantage around the Nurburgring, and that the 918's weight would put it at a disadvantage, this is all very interesting.

I'm still in doubt abut Ferrari sending a LaF around there for an official run, but the car's time may be a big surprise.