Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

You weren't actually there and you are simply repeating what you have been told. Thanks for actually admitting it.

I will take it as a given that it was yet another Mclaren employee who was your 'impeccable source' and your source for the 'proof' of sub 7.00 you claimed to have.

Employees and internet mouthpieces aren't enough for me to believe sub 7.00 without actual proof, no.

 

Erik, "impeccable" is a lofty adjective to attach to any person in the higher-ups of a profit-based organization, especially in the automotive world.

I don't doubt your relationship to your source, but the bottom line is that your source works for McLaren: He will profit when McLaren profits from the P1. If he's smart, he'll say whatever he needs to say to make money.

If the response of Porsche's customer base post their 'Ring record is any indicator, then McLaren's bare minimum 'Ring release is at least partially justified. It's no less coy, but at least justified.

 

I'd say it seems amateur as opposed to arrogant. The way McLaren's have handled the situation - from the moment big-mouthed Ron got overly excited in Geneva, to the ridiculous piece in Evo magazine to the release of this pointless video - has been nothing short of a complete and utter disaster. I suppose I just expected more from a manufacturer like McLaren. Take a second and try to imagine Porsche marketing the 918 the same way that McLaren have done with the P1 - it is truly preposterous, it would never, ever happen.

Erik - no matter what way you look at it, I don't think anyone here will disagree with me when I say you may not technically be on McLaren's payroll but you are hugely biased towards them and your tendency to vehemently defend every controversial decision (no matter how ridiculous) made by McLaren thus far goes to show that the company can do no wrong in your eyes. I mean this in the nicest way possible as I really appreciate you sharing your vast knowledge of the F1, but you are the true definition a fanboy. You are truly blinded by the love and adoration of the company that you have dedicated such a significant part of your life to. You will never be able to hold your hands up and admit that McLaren may have made a mistake and dropped the ball at some point.

 

Awesome, thanks very much!

 

No doubt that the P1 is a great car.

However it is a bit odd that figures aren't released - they had no problem dissecting every little figure they could come up with to prove that the MP4 was better than the 458, even down to mpg.

Then again maybe they realised after the MP4's residual values compared to the 458 that ultimate performance isn't the end all and be all.

 

The same McLaren that was fined $100MM and thrown out of the constructors championship after being found guilty of cheating by using data illegaly obtained from Ferrari? The company is surely a model for morality and wouldn't want their impeccable reputation tarnished

 

Someone should make a parody video...

Jon Lovitz claiming to drive a McLaren around the 'ring in under 7:00... finishing with... "And Morgan Fairchild held the video camera in the passenger seat".

 

They have told the world, but a small contingent of people aren't interested in listening or want something they are not going to get right now as "proof". There are still a few rounds of this game to be played before its over so the impatient skeptics are just going to have to "wait until Tuesday" if Tuesday ever comes.

And again, this is all much ado about nothing as Ring lap times aren't relative to begin with so the desperation to know an exact time and have it proven beyond any doubts from some people is pretty silly.

I'm pretty sure I made this clear pages and pages ago. I'd look for it but there are far too many in this cyclical discussion.

Yes, add at least one more person to your list of perceived liars.

Well if YOU don't believe it that's very worrying. I will have to tell them right away.

>8^)
ER

 

Then Prove it.

 

I long for the day when I can. I'm not normally one to celebrate the "I told you so's" with too much glee, but that will be a great day.

>8^)
ER

 

I won't hold my breath.

 

There's a lot more to that story and the imposed penalties than you can cover in a soundbite. Also...

Revealed in Ecclestone's book: "Mosley joked that it was “$5 million for the offence and $95 million for Ron being a ****”

Anyway, about as relevant to this discussion as the weather today.

>8^)
ER

 

Yet more hot air.

 

If and when they do it I'll be fine.
My angst is about their approach.

A car with that much HP should break 7. Just don't be idiots about it Mac.

 

God Erik, you must love Ron like nothing else. Anyway, I for one don't doubt that the P1 can lap the Ring in less than 7 minutes, but I can only imagine what people would be saying if Ferrari did the same thing that Macca just did! The Ring is irrelevant btw... too many variables, no good repeatability (Repeatability - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia).

PS: If Ferrari annouced that the LaFerrari can lap the Ring in 6:30, without providing any proof, how would you treat it my good matey?

 

Just trying to keep things warm - it's like 50 degrees in Southern California today.

Yes, and at this point they are counting on people to make the reasonable assumption that they are capable of what they claim. I think someone else will prove it for them in the future.

>8^)
ER

 

We covered this one a couple of pages ago. I am not interested in speculating on what I might say if Ferrari does or doesn't, and I think most are assuming they won't anyway.

I will say that the LaFerrari appears just as capable of a sub-7:00 lap time, but not one that betters the lap time McLaren have achieved unless they bend the rules quite far. They simply don't have the same level of downforce that is produced by the P1 and as Napolis was kind to point out with his BMW video, it will be the downforce that matters most.

If Ferrari are willing to play in this game then they should have no problems signing up for a three-way test with the other two contenders, using the same driver on the same day with production-spec cars, complete with a dyno check to ensure no one is cheating too much and a trip to the scales to make sure nothing was left behind.

>8^)
ER

 

No assumptions in the car game.

They are assuming their client base is too stupid to step up and ask them to back their claim.

While most of the owners are just buying them because they can there are some that actually care about real numbers on a real car test. The Ring is a real test that's been used for years.

Why else would Mac rent the place.

Now Ferrari is much different. Their name sells cars. LaF won't have to break 7 because the guys signed up for them don't care. They care that the name says Ferrari and its exclusive. The kool aid drinking is strong in that group.

 

How do you know that?

 

+1.

And McL said they'd be the fastest... and then said they wouldn't talk about it... and then whispered in eric's ear... and then made some teaser video worthy of a 13 y/o girl sexting her boyfriend... showing just a little... but not committing to anything.

If McL announces a time now they look completely foolish and unbelievable.

What I don't get is,... if Eric was told something in confidence he should have the respect to keep it private. Since he is not,... and has been blathering on for weeks at this point,... it is clear McL is happy to have their mouthpiece (PR agent) extolling the mythical virtues of the P1. If McL was unhappy,... they would have told him to zip it by now.

So why is McLaren happy to have Eric mouthing off about something they are not willing to say themselves?? This has a very Washington, D.C. ring to it...

Clearly Eric is a pawn in whatever game McL is playing....

 

I'm betting that someone that works for McLaren told him.

 

Oh... and for what it's worth... I think it is more likely than not that McL did beat the 7:00 time.

I'm not convinced they beat porsche,... but if they did,... it was close enough that they knew Porsche could return and post a better time. (that's my most likely scenario)

But it's all reading tea leaves...

Do I think the P1 is a fantastic car? Yes. (even if the PR dept is acting like amateurs!)

Lucky for me,... I have no desire to own any of the 3. I don't want all the complexity and soon to be obsolete politically correct rube goldberg hybrid bits and pieces.

I'd go for a Pagani before any of the 3.

 

I really enjoy the posts here attacking my character. Yawn...

I haven't said anything that McLaren haven't - I have just said them much more frequently in the face of those who contradict the claim, and I remain confident in doing so. Why would they tell me to be quiet as I am giving nothing away that isn't already out there.

>8^)
ER

 

Very, very, very confident?

 

Someone in this thread is going to get royally owned sooner or later.

Who will it be?