Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Hey - quiet confidence is boring.

And just think of all the fun we are having.

Not me! I've got a reputation to worry about, you know.

>8^)
ER

 

Where did Mac say they beat 7 by a considerable chunk?

You did a few of your posts ago.




It didn't happen until proven. It's just a press release for attention. Why I don't know. They said it's sold out. Why do they care at all about the ring. No need to continue to sell the car if they are all sold.

Save your money Mac. Make them collect your money and move on.

 

Erik's not a pawn in any game; he's just a passionate fan with his preferred marque. What has people riled up is that he's defending McLaren vigorously for what they are doing; which is basically playing games. Ferrari has been accused of everything under the sun & stars (right or wrong), and if they were doing this it would be merciless. (Hell he ripped them for their Art Basel video yesterday alone). I think a lot of people would be satisfied if the McLaren fans like Erik (and I'm also one; and let's face it the P1 is a Hypercar, no doubt) would wake up to the fact that McLaren is as smug and arrogant - and not above playing games to sell cars - as anyone.
The first sentence of their press release alone shows the arrogance in Woking:
'The McLaren name was born on the racetrack and, 50 years on, is the most successful name in global motorsport.'
Kevin
PS - and I don't mean to diminish their success in the last 50 years; let's face it they have been very successful.

 

Did they really say that? Losers...

 

I disagree. I think everyone is likely correct. Eric is almost certainly correct that they beat the 7:00 time. For McL to not beat it would be a failure of monumental proportions...

If I judge correctly... most (even all??) the doubters are questioning mostly because of the way it was handled. If McL had announced a 6:52... I doubt anyone would be questioning it's legitimacy.

In my view,... the only one at risk is Eric. But I tend to believe he is technically correct. That said,... I think he is testifying as a first person witness to something he has no 1st hand knowledge of. He is shouting as loud as he can what he has been told and what he wants to be true.

 

You can't disregard proof and anyone that claims sub 7.00 and can prove it deserves a great deal of respect.

Porsche earned it. Maybe Mclaren will, but what they have released so far to validate their claim is laughable and Erik's further efforts increasingly cringeworthy.

 

Chief Design Frank Stephenson said so loud and clear nearly one month ago in an interview with Driving.co.uk which you can read in detail here.

The relevant quote: "We’ve gone way under 7min and we’re happy."

Probably just someone to add to the list of paid liars though, so feel free to disregard at will like I know some of you are predisposed to do.

That was a complete joke - I even used a tongue when I responded if you look back at my untraditional signature that I include in every post. I liked the video, I thought the car looked great. Still waiting to be privileged enough to see one myself.

To be clear about their "arrogance" here, they make this claim as the only manufacturer in history to have won the Formula 1 World Championship, the CanAm Championship, the Indianapolis 500 and the Le Mans 24 Hours race. Those are the big four, along with quite a large number of other great successes they have obtained. They aren't just a 1-trick pony who have largely dedicated themselves to one category of competitive motorsport over all these years and happen to have the most famous brand name.

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ER

 

I was actually sticking up for you, and you passion. Which like Ferrari fans can be blind loyalty at times....

 

Perhaps you missed this quote that I finished with:


PS - and I don't mean to diminish their success in the last 50 years; let's face it they have been very successful.

 

As previously posted Mclaren pleaded their innocence regarding their cheating in F1. They were still found guilty of it.

Their word isn't gospel, they are a business.

 

I got that, and thank you. I was just clarifying the one point you seemed to have taken the wrong way from my earlier response to the Art Basel LaFerrari video.

No, I saw that before I replied, but you are not the only person reading along here so the clarification of what that message actually means was more for anyone else who might choose to have issue with it.

Again, they don't claim to be the most famous. McLaren is hardly a household name in spite of their many decades of success. I have seen and read a lot of McLaren's presentations over these past few years as they have worked to establish their new car brand and they almost always lead off or finish with something related to this message to give the casual observer a better understanding of the history and capabilities of the company and the people behind the name.

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ER

 

The issue is that with recent events even this feels manipulative and again, maybe that isn't fair.

My mind just keeps asking why put it that way? With what spec car? With what tires? It just makes me ask questions when so little real info is given. Hell, why all the coyness if they can make this sort of declaration in an interview?

I think the car should be sub 7, and if it's not it will be something unique to the ring. I remember during some independent test the Enzo did quite well, but it actually did so with some dampers disabled or something to that effect, perhaps they were just damaged.

Either way, I could see something like this technically being a problem at the ring for the P1, but no where else. A low ride height, or suspension setting... or something out of the ordinary. Perhaps they had to make a change to their car that is not part of a standard P1. A different energy recovery setting? Nothing too major, but just enough for everyone to cry foul if they knew all the details.

This is just speculation, but again it's the kind of thing that springs to mind after the way Mclaren has dealt with this...

That said, I plan to go watch the video again. I quite enjoy it.

 

You should always be asking these questions regardless of how transparent the evidence might seem. Porsche showed us a 6:57 lap video but did they really show us the cars they achieved this with were identical to production models? Of course not.

We should just take them at their word, right?? -- Oh wait, that argument won't work for a lot of the people here anymore.

This is my whole point why the actual lap times generated from the Ring are irrelevant. All the focus on them, silly.

Thankfully McLaren's time is far enough under the 7:00 threshold that regardless of whether or not they used some tricks and tweaks to get there, the official claim they have made is in no danger and should be repeatable by anyone with the skills and experience to attack the nearly 13 mile course under favorable test conditions in a P1. I hope we get the video that time - not for the lap time, but for the drama.

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ER

 

Neither is that brand.

 

I have spoken on the phone with Frank Stephenson a number of times, we email back and forth, and have met him in person on a number of occasions.

Frank is a very honest person, if he said it he believes it, and as he did say it I believe it.

 

So we should just take Mclaren's word for it despite them not showing us the car that they say did it NOR the video of the entire lap?

We should just take them at their word right? :0)

 

OK, so you have a reputation for honesty. I will give you that.

Then answer one question . . . were you an eyewitness to a McL running a time of less than 7 minutes at the Ring? If you were, please tell us the device you used in calculating the time, the time you recorded and the date.


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I just read the rest of this thread. Saw that you admitted that you were not there first-hand.

This is hearsay and not admissible.

As I said, they could take the best of several sector times and call it a sub 7, but that does not make it a sub 7.

 

Already made it clear I have not been to Germany.

If that's your standard of proof then I am afraid I can't help you.

>8^)
ER

 

Sorry mate, motorsport doesn't solely consist of closed circuit racing. McLaren is not the most successful name in Motorsport.

 

Ford then?

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ER

 

In other words if your standard of proof is actual proof, he can't help you.

 

But there are people who can answer his questions, and you wouldn't believe them either, so really what was the point of your post again?

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ER

 

To clarify once again, despite your repeated claims you have zero proof to offer anyone.

What is the point in your continued posting of claims again?

 

Because they are the truth.

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ER

 

I think your claims and the idea that you believe them to be the truth are well established by now. Repeating them without adding anything further, like proof, is getting slightly tedious.

Your condescending tone to anyone not swallowing your version of events even more so.