Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

The quoted weight of the LaFerrari is more than a little suspect. The Wikipedia description for the car claims the kerb weight is a much more believable 1,585kg. I recall that James May stated LaFerrari kerb weight at below 1,300kg in the video. That claim is fanciful because it is every bit as large as the P1, has a v-12 engine, has similar carbon fibre tub, larger and heavier tires, etc. Where would Ferrari have found those weight savings?

If the <1,300kg weight was true, and the car did have the claimed 950bhp, then James May would have been correct - it would have made mince meat of the other two cars, particularly in a drag race. As we have seen in every head to head, it is at best middle of the pack of the three, quite often in third place.

 

Laferrari is lighter but not faster on one lap because has much lower reliance on batteries which means it can repeat the same lap time over and over while the other 2 would run out of juice and suddenly slow down.

Also the added weight of the 4wd and 4ws in the 918 comes with added performance

 

according with Quattroruote, Kerb weight is 1,580 Kgs (tested)

 

What tires were really on the cars ar the Grand Tour test in Portimao?

 

He still finished 8 places behind his team mate in that one race though.

You misunderstand, the claim is that this guy is 5-6s faster than Harris. Yes, he will lose 5s from a standing start over the first quarter mile and a little bit more thereafter on the main straight. Harris, who hot laps supercars and hypercars on road tyres as a profession. If this was Tiff Needell nobody would believe it either, yet he also raced in F1 briefly and had podium finishes in Group C.

At the end of the day, to regain the 6s he lost on a standing start, he would need to be 6.5mph faster at every point after Turn 1. To be 4mph faster at the end of straights, he would need to be 8mph faster at the start. Now Chris Harris was pulling 1.3g on those 40mph hairpins and between 1.3g and 1.6g on every corner. +8mph = +44% lateral g = 1.9g. You do the maths. Either the cars were on slicks, or it was a flying start.

But hey, there's a really easy way to find this out in the long run. If the laps happened, the unedited ones will eventually appear on YouTube, if they don't, we know the answer. But in the mean time I'll leave you with this. I asked the question on Twitter and all I got was this. A simple 'yes' would have been very easy surely.
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Good lord man give it up.

 

I guess we all agree d'Ambrosio ran from a standing start and on the shorter track layout.
The question is what tires were really on the cars.

 

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Lord, this is becoming a very boring debate/thread and potentially there is no end in sight.

All three are extraordinary cars and each will be quicker than the other two in specific circumstances. All three's limits are way beyond 99% of us drivers to make any meaningful difference.

 

Nah, he ran from a flying start on the full layout, the standing start was edited in later. It's no coincidence that his 918 and LaF times are almost identical to Harris's.

Harris was 1.3g on hairpins and up to 1.8g on faster and banked turns, and 1.1-1.3g under braking (1.1g on Corsas, 1.3g with Cup 2s), taking 6s of that is not possible. It'd probably be pretty tricky even with slicks. You can hear the tyres screaming blue murder in the Harris laps but we're supposed to believe TGT's laps were effectively 6s faster. Yeah right.

 

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It's monday for ****s sake.

+1

 

Let's hope he has a job (although somehow I feel he's 17) and his mind is preoccupied with something else.

 

I'd need to be 7 to believe those hot laps were from a standing start. Also note in the Harris video, Tiff Needell, an ex-F1 driver and Group C driver is also there, as well as Marino Franchitti, another pro. The hot laps you saw were the fastest any of them achieved.

 

Have you ever driven a car hard on track? Your comments would suggest not. What point are you trying to make re the respective performance of these three cars? The topic of which driver is better than which other driver is completely irrelevant to this debate unless you are unhappy with the result that they are all similar to within a margin of difference that makes absolutely no difference to an ordinary person, or gentleman driver...

 

It will be very difficult for Lieven/LMFAO/Mycroft/Sroser/Wbarnes&#8230; to understand that GT is all about show and editing is major part of it &#8211; scenes, filters, weather, locations&#8230; everything.

This doesn&#8217;t change the fact that P1 lost on that day and sooner he stops, less funny he will look like&#8230;

 

+1 Amen!!

Unfortunately, it's pointless to argue with Mclaren fan boys, or in this case, a Mclaren employee. Lieven, Mycroft and etc, whoever you are, you need to give it up and accept Mclaren P3. Maybe Mclaren's F1 successor in a few years time will be the true "P1", but not this car.

 

It's all about integrity really. If a show says something it should be true. And the standing start was not true. I could also point out that there were 3 drivers in the Harris production driving each of the three cars and the best laps of all 3 were shown. One was ex-F1, ex-Group C) - Tiff Needell and the other Marino Franchitti (Dario's brother). So 6s faster than them, really. Sorry, I'll need to see that to believe it.

As a general comment let's talk about production quality. Look at Harris's video and look at the Grand Tour's coverage of the hot laps. Harris full laps, with Race Logic telemetry and beautiful picture quality. Grand Tour, laps condensed to 60s, 40s of guys babbling, 20s of random cornering clips and terrible image quality.

 

Let's talk about the 918. Fastest tyres, easily 1s faster over a lap of this length. Hot Lap mode worth another second or more, which doesn't last more than one lap and is hence no use on track days where it's regularly passed by 675LTs.

 

But what was the race it lost, standing start or flying lap. If the latter, then we know it can go around faster. If the former then all cars must have had slick tyres to manage 2g turns.

 

Hehe, why don't we get off of these old things, since this was most likely the last test concerning them, and talk about other upcoming hypercars...like the NIO EP9.

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/this-astonishingly-fast-ev-just-obliterated-the-electric-ring-record-with-a-7min-5sec-lap/

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/the-nextev-nio-ep9-would-be-the-overall-ring-record-holder-if-it-wasnt-for-one-crucial-detail/

This Nio EP9 is a 1,341bhp electric supercar | Top Gear

https://youtu.be/SRY4OUF-AvA

https://youtu.be/rvub6kwclZY

And it produces 5395lbs of DF @ 240kph

 

Nice.

 

Get real you're too much lol. P1 race mode makes it so low it scrapes its carbon fiber rear diffuser on race tracks. I'll take a "Hot Lap" button over that. And I suppose you completely disregard every test where the 918 beats the P1 and yes there are many. 918 is quicker around most tracks, time to face the music. 918 is quicker in a straight line up to 140 mph. It's the BETTER car. Doesn't mean you have to like it more. 675LT would be obliterated by a 918 with similar skilled drivers. Sorry dude....

 

A lot of truth to what lieven is saying.

He's doing some deep analysis whereas everyone else is just skimming the surface.

Can't resist since I am a financial guy but most people are examining the balance/income and statement of cash flows (hot lap times) whereas the real answers are in the "notes to the financial statements" which is what lieven is doing.

I haven't watched the most recent test because I think the 918/laf/p1 is way overdone by now.

However, watch Chris Harris video very carefully and he gives the "notes to the financial statements". The main thing being that Ferrari brought out their car a couple of weeks early and had their test driver set a time. Chris Harris then shows a computer screen with the ferrari team analyzing the telemetry which I assumed was his statistics versus the test driver statistics. What I got out of this is that once ferrari was satisfied with how he was driving around the laferrari did they then green light it.

 

Pls don't encourage him. That's looking wayyyy too deeply into this.

 

yeah, i hear you. -

 

At least race mode is permanent.

Isn't quicker around Portimao or Anglesey Coastal, the fastest lap time still remains the preserve of the P1 there and with unedited videos with full telemetry to prove it. Same goes for Texas World Speedway and COTA.

918 is quicker up to about 60mph thanks to AWD, after that it's P1 all the way, this much can also be verified by Harris's telemetry along with C&D and MT's acceleration tests.

That's what you think, the 675LT is only about 0.5s behind a 918 even with the 918 in HL mode. Put it in track day conditions, and it's out of HL mode with a heavier car wearing the tyres.

675LT 918 Spyder
Anglesey Coastal 1:12.80 1:12.40
Willow Springs 1:24.29 1:23.54
Vairano Handling Course 1:10.10 1:09.54
Hockenheim Short 1:07.20 1:06.30