Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

So how come from a corner exit at 100kph, the Merc F1 car gets to 200kph about twice as fast as a 919?

How many times do you do 0-100kph in a pro race?

 

LOLOLOL nice try sport! Its OK you can't win them all.

 

No, so you'll have to get used to the fact you lost this one son.

 

Win em all? By my count he's yet to win one on here.

 

Which is about as reliable as a Solomondrin lap time.

 

I'm sure in one thing-Mycroft will spend the Christmas Eve in forum battles, instead of being with his family... This 918 has really become pain in the ass of many sectants around the world... Obviously...

 

Okay,but if you have really reasearched about Jap F50 spec and if you are also telling F40 was modded.Then you may be right.I don't really reasearch that much about a car that I don't lust after.As long as there is a video to prove,I don't have any problem.But in an article it is a different story,where I look at the info carefully and come to conclusion which is why I could find conditions at which R&T tested Ameritech F1,I could find the configuration at which F1 was tested at Estoril.And more importantly mods in Evos's F1.

Now about Koenigssegg,that fact actually makes me actually respect them because they themselves were the one to say that chassis was adjusted when top gear claimed it improved the lap time due to top gear wing.It is not very often that manufacturer accept the mods done to the car.

Now if you put into perspective,a CCX did 1:22.3 at Bedford test and if you compare the aerodynamic aids of F1 and CCX,CCX has less downforce.Downforce figure for F1 is quoted at 200lbs @149mph for CCR it is 11kg lift at rear and 13kg downforce at front @200kph,for CCX I don't think it might be much different considering that it is only 0.45s faster at ring.

If the driver did the lap like in the video I agree that it would be slower but if it was a clean lap I think it would be atleast faster than CCX and do 1:21.2 or better key word:-Clean Lap.And if you see the tsukuba lap,driver missed the gear 2 times and the track conditions were not good as you can see damp surface by reflection of light.Here is the video,also you can see that weather was 92% humid and also you can see moisture flying from tires at 11s,Now imagine a time with more laps and good conditions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq9ATrXs9pA

If you have read 2004 issue of Evo where they tested F1 and Carrera GT at goodwood they said that F1 is faster with driver being Rowan Atkinson who has more experience with F1.

 

Since you like internet so much. Here is a link to Top Gear's article on the 2015 Winning cars of F1 and WEC.

See slide #9.

 

Oh Mycroft,

Since you like Youtube so much, here is a couple racing videos for you.

See how exciting real racing is? Instead of just parade laps in F1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clZOMYjaGt8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b-wu3cVjeI

 

Also see this:

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/features/2016/10/f1-record-speeds-mexico-power-2016.html


Particular the quote:

Even F1 is moving away from top speed bragging rights. The bigger acceleration from corner exits are where time can be shaved.

 

Oh one more thing Mycroft.

I guess it's also game over for your credibility in McLarenLife also just like here.

You posted whatever you can find on Youtube and blindly believed whatever is on the video but failed to find out the important background.

You digged out GMG's GT4 and GT3 videos to try and disprove Alejandro's Thermal video. Saying they sand bagged the cars and the drivers are not proper drivers and blah blah blah.

The little you missed on your 'evidence'? In the GT4, GT3 video the cars were running on Hoosiers and not stock tires and the cars are all properly tweaked and driven by a PWC pro.

OOPS!!!!

I didn't bother to embarrass you there so I just sent the link to my buddy and the rest is history.

 

I've seen Busdrivers, Apolos and Unotaz performance figures for the 918, but Whoopsy, have you ever tested yours out? (I'm changing the subject deliberately to avoid interacting with Lieven)

 

Straight line? Nah.

Circuit track? Yes. Ran it 3 days on my track over a weekend when my track first opened earlier. Was planning to run it more but then my race car arrived and had been running it ever since.

Didn't run it too hard, green track and my first time on it. Plus the 918 is tricky to drive at the limit and didn't plan to wreck my own car on the first day. Still, did put on about 500kms on the track. On the other hand, I already put in over 1000km on the GT4CS at the track, that car is fun and doesn't try to kill me. Right now I am a good 14 seconds faster in the GT4CS than in the 918 but that will shrink.

Might take the 918 back to the track again in the spring just to close that gap or maybe beat it.

There are some videos on Youtube if you are bored and wanted to see.

 

Free to believe this is the Andy Wallace speed on the video.



The 1st image on left shows that Andy was very close to the Hunaudieres restaurant with the angle of the prospective. The time trapped was between 45.64/45.67 seconds.
The 2nd image on right shows that he was close the end of the restaurant, 45.92 secs, but the pictures below shows that at 45.95s the restaurant was already out of the screen.
The Hunaudieres restaurant is 25 meters long and the time spent for the segment is more like 0.27-0.29 seconds. Using the calculator speed more similar to 310-335 kph.
In past I made more effective checking with attention and care, using a longer 111 meters segment, the average was 321 kph. No any car ahead of Andy.

You can check yourself.

And because you said that you don't want to talk with me of the F1, I remember you that a speed of 321 kph for qualifying setting is a figure that is matching correctly with what the GTRs were done in 1996 during the race, even if being trapped rear faster LMP cars. The effect of the turbolence of the air may affect the other car behind for just few kph of advantage.
Usually you aren't able to get the tail of a faster car driving a much slower one by tenths of kph. Talk about this with Peloton if you need that was the person informed on facts, in other way you can be free to believe at 281 because of short lenght of the straight...

This is what Michelotto cliams about gearing for the F40s at LM. Top speed for 314 kph.
http://www.build-threads.com/build-threads/ferrari-f40-lm-restoration/
"he suggests a reduction to give us a top speed of about 190/195 which is what he gears his current race cars to, even at Le Mans.The gain, obviously, is in acceleration."
For the same reason the F1 GTR had higher top speed at LeMans, but the F40 was quicker in acceleration. The situation was different when the speed wasn't limited by gearing. As example you said Jarama. At Jamara the F40s had higher top speed than the F1s on the main straight.

Maybe our was not the best approach but we can remedy. I don't love when people take for granted unfounded my informations expecially when info comes from precious sources, I refer also to the restricted 680 hp for the F40LM's power, I confirmed that the car used the same turbos, boost, restrictors and internal specs publisced in the F40LM book. Maybe many settings were used to have powerful engines for qualifyng but the average used by Ennea and Pilot F40s were from 580 to 680. In GT1 specifications.

 

Mycroft is just ridiculous lmao he doesn't do anything in his life except for replying in forums in where his beloved p1 is criticized. I think he is just butthurt that he can't own one and the fact that it didn;t live to the hype to be "the fastest car in the racetrack" lol.

 

Look. You are losing the objectivity again.
If we look at the Bedford video of the F1, we agree to the fact that drive was not as clean and the stock car may be slower. But we cannot know how.
You pointed out the fact that a Michelin tire was faster by 3 seconds at Suzuka on the F50, just for the tires, and then here with the F1 you are thinking differently if you agree the fact that the car was provided of alignment, and almost 10 years bigger wheels/tires. Your mistake here seems to be double because seems you are using two measures according just to the tire, we are unable to know the variable of the overall time for sure in both cases.
I will try to explain in a better way. A stock F1 compared to the blue car you cannot be sure how could have been slower because we are unable to know how can you push hard brakes later, how it slip on the corners, how grip was good out of corners, because the alignment angles work in another way and also the tire/wheel profiles had different angles, drive control is different in the overall lap.
We are unable to estimate a lap really to me because we cannot know if the stock setting allows the same lines at the same speed on the parts of the track where the driver was driving clean. This, just to note.

 

Look,I already explained about tires not being much more grippier than you think it may be an improvement about 0.02g.And if you doubt about its time,then you should see its lap around goodwood when Tiff Needell tested it in top gear.The time is a bit less than 1:26(6:52-8:18) in the video.To put it into perspective,it is fastest time done by a magazine followed by GTR with a time of 1;27.7 by Autocar.And also an Experienced driver wouldn't make that error during corners.

Now speaking about the brakes,as far as I can see,the brakes are stock so it wouldn't improve braking distance.Besides a pro driver doesn't need driver aids to set good lap times.And a CCX already set 1:22.3 at that track,all the data I have seen indicates that it will be faster than CCX a CCR Evo was only as fast as ZO6 around Mantorp Park both lapping 1;27.5 but on different day.And around ring CCR and CCX was at same times.So I think that mods may have improved lap time by 1s at max.Also i you read carefully,my estimate was for a clean lap.If you say even clean lap of F1 would be slower then it is like saying with driving a Enzo with error will outlap an F430 or F50 which is not the case at Vairano.And considering all this only I came to the above conclusion.

Now you also know that F1 was faster at Estoril than a ZR1 and then you have to consider that 1994 circuit was 2s slower if you compare cars lapping similar lap times as I posted in previous posts.And lastly we also don't know if other cars tested at that track had alignment changes or not,because from what I have read,magazines do mention about setup when setting lap record.

 

You still haven't explained why an amateur in a stock 991 GT3 lapped Thermal Long as fast as a Solomondrin's guy in a P1 yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYPng8TNAIg

 

I think you forgot something. But basically don't both, the videos show you everything you need to know. The F1 car is faster once near 100kph. Also shows up in lap times. No need to try discredit F1 just because Porsche isn't in it.

 

How is that in any way better than F1?

I can also watch an F1 race, how do you watch a 24hr race without getting bored silly?

 

You think I didn't already know that. How is that relevant exactly? The downforce vs speed setup they run depends on the track.

 

The GT3 is not on Hoosiers, look at the g-meter.

Here is an amateur in a GT3 RS managing 2:16 also. About 0.1g down on GT3 due to cooler weather.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHNuXzjfJj0

You can make excuses all you like but everything points to Solomondrin being disingenuous.

 

The video of the Mclaren P1 standing mile that I posted here was conveniently posted right afterwards on Mclarenlife by Myocraft. Even though on here he argued with me over the video. On another note, he gets plenty of **** over there too. Not as much as here though, obviously.

 

Not sure what you're talking about. However I wasn't arguing about that video, I'd simply remembered the terminal speed in the Autocar test as 205.4mph and not 204.7mph.

Are you saying there is more **** here?

 

Lanzante is not a tuner but a Motorsport Team (as its name also says).
The P1 LM is not a transformed P1 GTR, but a different car; you have:

P1
P1 GTR
Road legal P1 GTR
P1 LM

P1 and P1 GTR were realized by McLaren, while from all the info that can be gathered Lanzante entered the scene for the road legal conversion of some of the P1 GTR cars.
THEN, in order to celebrate the victory that McLaren and Lanzante achieved at Le Mans, the idea of preparing a WAY more extreme version of the P1 came to mind, with Lanzante assuming the lead of the project known as P1 LM, which, I repeat it again, is not a converted P1 GTR chassis.

It seems the first two P1 LM chassis are being built right now, furthermore inside rumors say that it is going to have an upgraded 4 litre version of the engine...