Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

I heard the new ring king is now a lambo, is that correct? Sorry if it was mentioned earlier I don't know.

 

Ferrari never said lap times aren't important. Just that they keep them to themselves as there are way too many variables and ways to cheat so they just release the ones on their own track against their previous cars.

 

I can respect this approach.

 

Didn't know that.

 

Dear God, this thread is not only still going, it has crossed twenty-two thousand posts???

I've been enjoying both the LaF and the P1, and I give a thumbs up when I see 918s on the road. I'm looking forward to the LaF Aperta, and the fact that it's probably a couple tenths slower than the LF Coupe around Laguna Seca has given me zero pause

 

Good philosophy, frankly I doubt one can even drive any of these cars 5/10ths on the road which for me renders any lap times and games of top trumps about as relevant as the weather in the Zanzibar.

 

The leaders of Ferrari, McLaren and Porsche would disagree with you. The produce these cars with passion and with a desire to shave hundredths of a second off a benchmark time. And the fact that they cannot be driven on the road does not matter in the least to them. They are making these cars for people who appreciate the finest details in the finished product.

I have a phone which tells perfectly good time, but I still wear a watch. Why? Because even though I cannot measure the frequency of Caesium on my wrist does not prevent me from enjoying craftsmanship of the finest order.

 

The quote from Ferrari boss in response to question about if we'll see 812 Ring Time. The 812 is a GT car, but I call it a hyper GT because to me, that's what it is. You can certainly call it whatever you like.

I am certainly OK with manufacturers putting out acceleration, weight, braking numbers etc. Most cars will be measured independently on lap times, figure 8's and the like. That's enough data.

How exactly is a manufacturer reported lap time relevant to me as a customer if I have no hope of repeating it? I think it's great strategy for Ferrari to not release 'Ring times. When people look at classic Ferrari's that have sky rocketed in value, is the 'Ring time ever brought up? Of course not. It's an interesting data point I suppose but it's ultimately useless when the cars will be tested independently at multiple different tracks and reported to the public.

I'm opposed to the whole obsession over the Nurburgring though. So everything I just said has a certain amount of bias. I'm fully admitting.

 

Thread was dead before Lieven showed up. He loves quoting you and your data set fyi.

 

Who would have thought that this thread would go on for 5yrs and more than 1100pages with 21000+replies.

 

FWIW, CVK thinks the lambo time is BS...

Koenigsegg on Tesla, an entry-level supercar, and the Nürburgring | Top Gear

 

CvK and Glickenhaus thoughts on lambo record:
Koenigsegg on Tesla, an entry-level supercar, and the Nürburgring | Top Gear

"We couldn’t talk to the boss of Koenigsegg without mentioning the Nürburgring record furor. Christian is all over it. “When I saw that video, I was like ‘something’s not right here. How can it be so fast on the lap when it’s so slow on the straight. And where’s the tyre noise, or G-force meter. And then we find out that after the record, the car was on special tyres. Come on guys…’”"

Could there be a road car shoot-out at the Nürburgring? | Top Gear

"“I would love to see it. Lamborghini bring their Huracan, and I bring my little New York road car [his ex-race car has been converted to road use, and wears New York plates], and we’ll see who’ll go round the quickest.

“It’s the only fair and real way to do it. This is what I think it needs. You get the trophy for a year, we engrave your name on it, next year if someone beats you, they get it. But it’s real. The same day, the same weather, the same amount of rubber. Then you guys aren’t driven frigging crazy by claims and videos. I don’t believe any of it.”"

to be honest it sound like both got threatend by the record moving closer to their claims so the jumped on the defensive

as for glickenhaus: racelogic published data on their fb which can confirm that there was no faking of the laptime

 

Mclaren trying to lose another three ways battle against the Aston and Mercedes this time.
The day must come when Jay Leno won't be able to afford anymore of the completely new yet just slightly different Maccas

McLaren's three-seat hypercar will be its fastest ever road car | Top Gear

 

So CVK who has almost never proved his claims and JG who has never proved his claims slam Lambo because they did prove their claims...

"my little NY road car" lol, it's a road converted race car with more power than the race version...

 

I think that we have to give Lambo credit of respect and wait for independent tests and mainly SA. If the achieve something around 7.10, then this official time are legit, imv…

 

CVK is full of **** and he knows it

 

Gt2 cars have very low top speed for the fixed wings but are pretty handy at the Ring

 

Also didn't CVK claimed that a CCR will do 400m 9s flat.Now he claims that Agera One will easily do 6:40 at the ring.

By the way what do you this about this lap record
SCG 003 6:42
News | Top Gear

 

Same as JG

He follows his convenient criteria of subtracting the GP time to the complete NS+GP laptime and getting a NS lap, which no one does but him in order to claim records that he doesn't break. In other words it's BS or more suitably nowadays, fake news.

 

By the way,many people here like kingjr9000,Lieven,noone1 and other members here stated that a GT3 runs 6:27 at nurburgring using NS+GP time.So it isn't that no one uses that to speculate NS time.

 

How strange that it died after 3 minutes on Sebring then, whereas after 5 minutes of COTA, the P1 didn't even show signs of mildly reduced acceleration.

Aside from that, there's Ben's statement from Laguna, plus the fact the car picked up 3-5mph on every straight there relative to the pre-production version and the fact 60-130mph times dropped from 5.7s to 5.1-5.2s. Extra power isn't free, you either burn more fuel or you use charge faster. Porsche at no time mentioned that they were changing the battery.

 

By saying "no one uses it" I didn't mean people chatting in a forum, I meant not one brand to claim broken records. Otherwise BMW's, Mercedes' and other cars would have already done that, and they're faster than any of JG cars. They don't do cause they know it's crap.

Speculation doesn't equal facts. An estimation is not reality, using it to claim things that didn't happen, like broken records, is BS and fake news.

This thread is full of speculative information and we know how that has worked out.

 

and the koenigsegg fanboys buys all of it, screenshot was taken from top gear on an article about the AMG project one:
koenigsegg fanboys... - Album on Imgur

 

Kseggs are unicorns. There are so few and you never see them at tracks. They just get parked outside in Monaco or driven slowly on roads. Sit in London traffic. But the company has this fanboy following because they claim such insane numbers for their cars.

 

Mclaren's BP23 not a successor to P1 or F1.Does anyone know about it?
McLaren's Upcoming Three-Seater Is Not a Successor to the Legendary F1
In what way do you think BP23 will be claimed to be fastest car?