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  1. scycle2020

    scycle2020 F1 Rookie

    Jan 26, 2004
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    We are currently building a vacation-soon to be retirement home in Breck at 9500ft...I have seen the data on effect high altitude on hp and performance...I also know that turbo charged cars lose less hp at altitude...I still tend to like high reving v8-v10s like the lambo gallardo, ferrari 360-430, carrera gt, etc...Subjectively, do the high reving exotics lose hp and performance that is noticable??? Those of you living at high altitude or have taken your exotic up in the mountains, what do you think???
     
  2. teak360

    teak360 F1 World Champ

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    Very noticeable from sea level to 9,500 ft. You will experience nearly a 30 percent loss in hp at that altitude.
     
  3. jeff

    jeff Formula 3

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    You lose roughly 3% for every 1000 ft of elevation. So yes, loss of performance will be a apparent.
     
  4. Imola2001

    Imola2001 Formula Junior

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    The good news is everyone else is also losing power, so it is all relative.

    I have driven to 14,000ft and I thought I was towing a boat anchor at that altitude.
     
  5. scycle2020

    scycle2020 F1 Rookie

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    Top of mt. evans??? Road my bike up to the top, nearly died of lack of O2...I am sure my personal hp was below zero at that point.........
     
  6. IndianaFRC

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    #6 IndianaFRC, Jun 1, 2009
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    I pickup most of my cars and drive them back and it kills me to see how much they loose. 2 out of 7 of my cars are boosted I enjoy driving them all in the hills. Buy what you like to drive as we are all dealing with the same issue.

    Aaron
     
  7. scycle2020

    scycle2020 F1 Rookie

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    Good point, driving an exotic thru beautiful mountain scenery on a blue sky colorado summer day is the stuff of dreams...if you "only " have 350 hp instead of 400 will not great diminish the experience.........
     
  8. furmano

    furmano Three Time F1 World Champ

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    #8 furmano, Jun 1, 2009
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    As other have stated above, everyone else is in the same situation so everyone is at the same disadvantage. But think of it as a natural brake, because on these twisty roads, it's hard to use all the power these cars have to offer, at least the new ones you're talking about.

    Just enjoy the drive and the scenery.

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  9. scycle2020

    scycle2020 F1 Rookie

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    Great point!!! Love the cars and the lake and blue sky...where is this???
     
  10. hardtop

    hardtop F1 World Champ

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    I run my 328 and 430 up Cottonwood pass every chance I get. It's roughly 8500-12,200. the 328 needs to be kept in lower gears and higher revs. The 430 has so much power to begin with that it is no factor in terms of enjoyment. The only turbo car I owned was a 2004 STI. Maybe it didn't lose as much power percentage wise, but the lag cetainly increased with altitude. I still prefer a naturally aspirated motor. As Furman pointed out, power is not so much of a factor on mountain roads in terms of enjoyment.

    Dave
     
  11. furmano

    furmano Three Time F1 World Champ

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    #11 furmano, Jun 2, 2009
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    The picture is taken at an alpine lake on the road to Mt. Evans, as are the pictures below. The road is the highest paved road in North America, and I think the second highest paved road in the world. It reaches 14,000 ft. at the top. There are lot's of scenic drives around here.

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  12. scycle2020

    scycle2020 F1 Rookie

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    Thanks...great pics...I should have know it was Mt Evans....I drove up to the top 3 years ago...our crappy rental suv barely made it!!!!!
     
  13. bbs911

    bbs911 Formula Junior

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    Scycle,

    It looks like you have all the answers but I thought I'd chime in anyway. I live in Dallas (600ft) and have a place in Breck. I shipped my Carrera GT and 993tt up there for Porsche Parade last week. All I can say is.......WOW. The difference in the output of the CGT was amazing. Here, the thing battles for grip all the way through 3rd gear. Up there, it would break loose in 1st but not even close in 2nd. Huge difference. One hp calculator someone sent me said hp would be around 437hp at 10,000ft. How pedestrian is that? So, to answer your question, VERY noticable.

    The 993tt didn't feel as different up there as down here. It's hard to say how much hp loss there is, but I think it's safe to say that it's nowhere close to the 28% the CGT lost.

    I was in Denver on business about a month earlier and took a Gallardo on a drive from roughly 5500ft at the start to probably 7000ft. I was startled at the amount of low end power lost due to the high elevation. If you could keep the revs up, it still performed nicely.

    Some uber-turbo car like a Ruf Turbo R or R Turbo would be ideal up there.
     
  14. waltk88

    waltk88 Formula Junior

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    Turbo cars have a big advantage at altitude. I was at Bandimere in March, and watched several GT-Rs and Z06s run the 1/4. They were all trapping at about 118mph. At sea level the Z06 traps about 5mph faster, and that performance advantage was wiped out at mile-high altitude.
     
  15. Chris Barnett

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    That's because turbochargers have the ability to work harder to make up for the lack of oxygen. Since the turbocharger(s) have less atmospheric pressure to work with, they have to work harder to make boost. Spool map plots are similar except lower down the scale, and due to this there is more heat, and more lag. But overall, as long as the turbochargers were not maxxed at sea level, the acceleration loss at altitude is minor.
     
  16. drf3576

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    lived in vail for a year....miss it so much...
     
  17. AceMaster

    AceMaster Three Time F1 World Champ

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    good point
     

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