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  1. Chicko

    Chicko Formula 3

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    #1 Chicko, Jan 1, 2011
    Ferrari president Luca Di Montezemolo is keen on delaying the introduction of Formula One's new engine formula, which is set to power the sport from 2013 onwards.

    When the FIA recently announced that four-cylinder engines would be introduced in 2013, Montezemolo expressed some displeasure, before adding he 'wouldn't stand in the way' of change.

    Now though, it seems the Italian is looking for allies in an attempt to delay or completely scrap the new regulations.

    "We won't be building any four-cylinder engines for our street cars," he told Auto Motor und Sport.

    "A Four-cylinder engine, it sounds, for the top tier of motorsport, a bit puny.

    "Why could we not agree on a V6 Turbo? We should not confuse affordable with cheap."

    The 63-year-old is hoping other engine manufacturers, particularly Mercedes, will support him in delaying the changes.

    "If there is the slightest possibility to delay the four-cylinder [regulations], I'll try, I perceive a chance, but we need unity."






    http://www.thef1times.com/news/display/02473
     
  2. Tifoso1

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    #2 Tifoso1, Jan 1, 2011
    I can only hope that Mercedes and Renault share the same view on this issue as Ferrari.
     
  3. Remy Zero

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    #3 Remy Zero, Jan 1, 2011
    +1

    bring back the V10s...
     
  4. SSNISTR

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    #4 SSNISTR, Jan 1, 2011
    You mean the V12's. :D

    Hell, I'd take anything but the 4 bangers....
     
  5. rmani

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    #5 rmani, Jan 2, 2011
    +100000000000000000000
     
  6. Chicko

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    #6 Chicko, Jan 2, 2011
    I would expect Renault will be all for small displacement 4 cylinders motors, as the majority of there road cars sales have this configuration.

    Ferrari might be able to get Cosworth on side, although i would expect Cosworth will be happy to see a dramatic engine shake up, as it gives them a chance to claw back ground to the others. Cosworth also have a long history of 4-pot turbos.

    Ferrari's best bet will be Mercedes, certainly from a road car marketing point of view.

    But what might go against Ferrari in this situation, is signals being made by VAG Group (VW, Audi, Porsche etc) wanting to enter F1.
    VAG have said before that they would enter only when the engine regulations become more affordable and relevant.
    The FIA and FOM are desperate for another big engine manufacturer to enter F1 since the pull out of BMW, Honda and Toyota. Especially since Renaults inclusion seems to becoming more fragile with every passing season, and Cosworth being limited in terms of finance and resources.

    V6's do seem to be the logical choice of configuration though, as Mercedes, Renault, VW/Audi and even Ferrari all have long history with them.
    I would not be surprised to see Ferrari building an all new V6 turbo engine in the near future to comply with the ever increasingly stringent emissions law, and fit it to either the next gen California or even for a lower tier light weight model below the existing range.
     
  7. oss117

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    #7 oss117, Jan 2, 2011
    +1 !!!
     
  8. Daytonafan

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    #8 Daytonafan, Jan 2, 2011
    I'd go for something completely socially irrelevant and standardise Flat 12's now they would sound good.
     
  9. kraftwerk

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    #9 kraftwerk, Jan 2, 2011
    Whoever builds the best with the given parameters wins.
     
  10. of2worlds

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    #10 of2worlds, Jan 2, 2011
    I thought the Ferrari team had a special 'VETO' clause for any major rule change it did not approve of in F1?
    CH
     
  11. kraftwerk

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    #11 kraftwerk, Jan 2, 2011
    A deal cut with Mosley and Co ...he has gone.
     
  12. tifosi12

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    #12 tifosi12, Jan 2, 2011
    As long as they don't run on Diesel I'm happy
     
  13. 4rePhill

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    #13 4rePhill, Jan 2, 2011
    Amen to that! ;)
     
  14. VIZSLA

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    #14 VIZSLA, Jan 2, 2011
    Mercedes is putting fours in cars way up in their model line these days. If anything they'd want to "legitimize" them.
     
  15. 4rePhill

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    #15 4rePhill, Jan 2, 2011
    +1 On that, and they'll push for it even more if they think it will hamper Ferrari!.
     
  16. Ferrari 360 CS

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    #16 Ferrari 360 CS, Jan 2, 2011
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    This really is ridiculous, 4 cylinder engines in motorsports premier formula...cutting cost is irrelevant as F1 will never be cheap so why not allow more freedom in enigine choice and why not bring back mid season testing. The whole cost issue in my opinion is mis-guided purely because no new teams are arriving anyway and those that are in F1 are by a large there for the long haul.

    Surely the spectator also matter, I cant see too many people clambering to see 4 cylinder F1 cars.

    To be honest I miss the days when if Enzo didnt like something he threatened to pull out....that usually got the attention of the governing body.
     
  17. beast

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    #17 beast, Jan 2, 2011
    I honestly don't care for the turbo 4 banger rule. If F1 is looking to promote new tech to be developed into future automotive applications they need to be thinking out of the box.

    Ilmor had been developing a 5 stroke engine the past couple of years

    http://www.ilmor.co.uk/concept_5-stroke_1.php

    Why not take that concept and run with it everyone will be starting with a clean slate???
     
  18. RP

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    #18 RP, Jan 2, 2011
    Small displacement V-8s. Every street car manufacturer in F1 has V-8 model. The technology gained from F1 V-8s could be used in future street cars.

    That could also open the door to more engine suppliers like Audi/Porsche/VW/Lambo, BMW, Toyota, Nissan, etc. And why not attract US companies like Chevrolet and Ford?

    Besides, V-8s can be made to sound really great. I can not begin to imagine the sound of a 4 cylinder, with or without the blow job.
     
  19. Ferrari 360 CS

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    #19 Ferrari 360 CS, Jan 2, 2011
    Agreed but the sad fact is F1 is seemingly not run but car enthusiasts....
     
  20. Chicko

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    #20 Chicko, Jan 2, 2011

    Your right. So i guess we will have to wait and see what Mercedes stance on the matter is, as it could be for or against.
     
  21. Tokyo Drftr

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    #21 Tokyo Drftr, Jan 2, 2011
    i'd hate to see a ferrari road car with 4 cylinder.......turbo or not.........leave that in a MV agusta.......
     
  22. rdefabri

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    #22 rdefabri, Jan 2, 2011
    Ferrari could dust off the 637 and run Indy if they don't like the new engine spec :)
     
  23. william

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    #23 william, Jan 2, 2011
    I must be the only one to like 4-pot turbo.

    In a 1500cc turbo formula, I think that the preferable engine configuration, superior to V6 or V8. With small engine capacity, it doesn't pay to have so many cylinders if you go turbo.

    I thought that BMW proved that many years ago when Piquet's Brabham-BMW 4-pot turbo defeated Renault, Ferrari and others to win the WDC.

    A 4-pot will be lighter and being smaller is easily packaged in a car. It can be lay-down (like the last Brabham-BMW, it also gives less complexity with the exhaust, has a lower centre of gravity, etc...
    Without talking about the mechanical simplicity itself: 2 overhead camshaft instead of 4, etc...

    Even Ferrari had 2 cylinder engines in the past: 500 Mondial.
     
  24. Iain

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    #24 Iain, Jan 2, 2011
    Dunno why Luca is so worried - he wants to get the boys to design a 4 pot turbo that works at an incline of oh say 45 degrees .....





    ....then he can weld two of them together, detune it & a bit & stick 'em in a road car :D
     
  25. SSNISTR

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    #25 SSNISTR, Jan 2, 2011
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    V12, F12, I'd just love to see 12 cylinders. Biggest issue with an F12 is it is too wide though.
     
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