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Ferrari OEM 400i Wheels Pricing Inquiry

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  1. OttoB

    OttoB Formula Junior

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    So, today I placed my wheels for sale on both eBay and in the parts forum for FChat since my car is nearing completion and I went ahead in having custom made 17's for the car.

    This is the listing:

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/ferrari-parts-collectibles/478720-15-oem-400i-wheels-sale.html

    In doing my due diligence so that I could price them according to market, I performed a cursory search within the parts forum and after going through several pages' worth of listings, in hopes I could have located an older 'For Sale' advertisement on our cars' 15 inch wheels, was left to my own devices in order to come up with a sale price for them. The only ones I saw were either 14's or 16's - no 15's for the past several months...

    On eBay, the only other source for what I surmise is the perceived market, I only saw 2 listings: 1 single New Old Stock wheel being sold for $985, and then there was a rough shape set, also from a 400, that are going for $225 each, without tires, and need a re-finsh.

    I then reckoned that the asking price for mine, assuming a buyer will be seeking a discount, plus also taking into account paypal and eBay fees, should be $2,250. Hours later, I performed a search on eBay for all things Ferrari 400 where sometimes, an interesting collectible can be found, and I literally stumbled upon a re-finished set, with tires, for $999.00 that also came off a 1985 400i which I had not seen previously - probably because the title states Mondial... This is the link:

    1980 1985 Ferrari Mondial 400 Wheel Tire Package Set WH | eBay

    They look pretty darn good, but blows my asking price off the water, which again, was based in part based on the only other 2 listings for 15 inch Ferrari wheels on eBay.

    So, the issues are:

    1) what is a reasonable asking price for a non-refinished set like mine so I may adjust the price accordingly?

    2) My wheels do not have many markings, in comparison to the other set being sold - how can I truly know that they are authentic and OEM?
     
  2. Ashman

    Ashman Three Time F1 World Champ
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    If your wheels are 15" wheels, they would be priced differently than the TRX wheels that you linked to on the ebay listing.

    I have no idea whether yours are worth more or less but my guess is probably more as the TRX wheels with their limited and expensive tire options would not be in high demand.

    More people want to go to inch size wheels than want TRX wheels. Although 16" might be the preferred conversion since there are more tires available in that sized these days.
     
  3. galbert

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    bonjour
    la dimension des pneus n'est pas bon et indice de vitesse pas bon non plus
    amicalement
    Christopher
     
  4. OttoB

    OttoB Formula Junior

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    Chris,

    Ce est pourquoi je vends les roues et les pneus sont libres, mon ami!
     
  5. SouthJersey400i

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    The Mondial wheels are way overpriced since they are metric TRX wheels and virtually worthless. When I swapped to 16" replicas I managed to sell my wheels with old TRX tires to an antique dealer that is making four end tables for a 'man cave'.
    Ken
     
  6. Schumi

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    I emailed the seller of the "Mondial 400" TRX wheels and he said they were painted "in house" with BMW Silver paint.
     
  7. OttoB

    OttoB Formula Junior

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    Within my listing on eBay for the wheels, I defer onto members of this prestigious forum for advice as to fitment on other Ferrari vehicles. So,

    1) Does anyone have direct, specific knowledge of vehicles where these wheels would be a direct swap (or feasible with a small spacer) in order for me to incorporate into the advertisement? Has anyone else sold their 15's to another Ferrari owner for a car that was not our model series? Or, has anyone bought someone's 308 15 inch wheels and installed in our cars? I am fully aware of the 16's being regularly done, but we are dealing specifically with 15's...

    2) I always assumed that the Mondial cars (1982-'85?) had very specific wheels that no other Ferrari model used. Am I correct in determining that the metric TRX advertisement on eBay is incorrect, as he stated within the listing that they actually came off a 1985 400i? In the same line as my first question within this post, would those TRX wheels actually be interchangeable with a Mondial, by chance?

    3) As to others with an '85 400i, being that my particular wheels have limited Ferrari markings, does anyone know how to specifically rule out if my wheels are, in fact, OEM or reproductions?

    4) Lastly, does anyone care to comment on the asking price for my wheels? I personally do not want to have someone else store them for me since my available storage is limited, and since I do not anticipate reverting back to them as I like the new custom made ones (and not likely selling the car anytime in the foreseeable future), then I would want someone who wants/needs them to enjoy them, as long as the monies exchanged for same are reasonable.

    Thank you all in advance for your continued help.
     
  8. Part Time

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    #8 Part Time, Feb 26, 2015
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    Otto...here is a photo of a metric wheel for my 85 400i, with factory markings on outside.
    I am 45 minutes north of you.

    PS: picture looks a lot better on my tablet then it does after it loads on here, sorry.

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  9. blkprlz

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    #9 blkprlz, Feb 26, 2015
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    As per Q1: The TRX's on the 400i were the same as the BBi fronts. As for the 15's, not sure :confused:

    As per Q3: Your wheels aren't what was originally equipped on an '85 400i, TRX's replaced the 15" wheels on the Series 2 injected cars, so I'm inclined to think that the PO swapped out the TRX's for the same reasons that so many others do. Your pics don't really do justice to determine the 'limited markings' that your wheels have.
    The back side of the wheel tell all the tales :) You'll notice my Campi TRX's were made in Jan. '83.

    As per Q4: If memory serves me correct, Ted Rutland's 308QV repros (16") sell for about $1600. for a set of 4…so I'm inclined to think that if the option were to pay that $$ for either the 15" or the 16", most would go with 16". They make nice hose reels though :D

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  10. Ashman

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    AFAIK, TRX wheels were standard both on the series 1 and series 2 400i going back to introduction in 1979.
     
  11. OttoB

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    #11 OttoB, Feb 26, 2015
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    I need to get a better pic of the back side of my wheels - it seems they were made in 1977, so that they would have come from a 308?
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  12. blkprlz

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    Are you sure :D
    The OM shows 7 1/2 X 15, could you special order them back then :confused:

    Looks like Dec. '77
     
  13. Ashman

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    #13 Ashman, Feb 28, 2015
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    NOTHING is ever sure when it comes to Ferrari equipment specifications. I would not be surprised if some of the early 400i versions as they transitioned from carbs to injection in 1979 and at the dawn of the TRX wheel era didn't have inch size wheels, either because they still had them in stock or because the TRX wasn't out just yet.

    Just like the serial number of the first 400i (27075 in FML or 27978 in Cavallino) is before the serial number of the last 400 (28261 in Cavallino or 29051 in FML), there often is no rhyme nor reason in Ferraris!

    PS The Cavallino report of the first 400i s/n has to be wrong because it is an even number and Ferrari didn't begin to use even numbers for road car s/n until many, many years later.
     
  14. blkprlz

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    Come to think of it, I forgot all about that :eek: It's whatever they grab off the shelf, & in no particular order.


    Right around 75000 :D
     
  15. blkprlz

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    Whoops :eek: I meant Nov.
     
  16. OttoB

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    I feel as if I need to correct the 'for sale' listing on the wheels since I was under the mistaken impression that '85 400i's could have come with 15' wheels other than metrics from the factory.

    The advertisement already indicates fitment with 400GT's and 400i's - so, other than adding that they were manufactured in 1977, is there anything else that I should change, price notwithstanding? Does anyone know if these wheels will bolt on any other Ferrari model without modifications and/or spacers?
     
  17. rzinger

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    eBay is as close to a perfect economic market as you will find - lots of buyers, lots of sellers. If you are questioning your price - use the auction format and the market will set the right price. Drop the 'buy it now'.
     

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