Ferrari outsources F1 engine design work

roceja · Feb 4, 2006

LopeAlong said:

Sorry Vic, but I call them as I see them. Yes this is a simple debate, and I am not having the least bit of problem with it. I explained my views on outsourcing. I gave examples and was more specific when I replied to you. You turned it into a Indian supremecy speech (BTW, who is the racist?), totally ignoring the points I was making. My business dealings with outsourcing in China and India have been disasters. Maybe your issue is you can not accept these facts. Please note I said "facts". I then called you on your fabrications and you say I'm immature? Har! I find it interesting that there are other posts which obviously degrade India and you have no response. Why is that Vic? Is it because I was the only one to challenge your lies? I guess you also ignored the fact that my brother works for NASA (not Nasa, BTW). He also had a jolly laugh about your labor force "statistics". I will also have to ask some of my friends (whose direct country of origin include Africa, UK, Belgium, Denmark, Italy, France, Japan, India, Mexico, Australia, Turkey, Egypt, Chile....hmmm, I'm sure there are more), if they think I am as racist as you think I am. What is interesting is that these very people share my views. They worked very hard to get where they are today - many times without help.

My views on education? Very simple. I don't care what color you are or if you are from Mars, the current policy is WRONG. University grants and scholarships should be based on merit - NOT HEADCOUNT, NOT COUNTRY OF ORIGIN! (I am not talking about private grants) If you have a problem with that, then you can personally fund it. For I would like to send my kids to college without also having to pay for someone less deserving.

I expressed my frustration over my experiences with outsourcing. And I believe it was you who turned this into a "pissing contest". The names I have called you are very appropriate. Actually I think they are pretty tame compared to what I am really thinking about you. I also hope I never have to deal with your type. Integrity means a lot to me.

Jim

BTW, did you ask your "personal friend" Mr. Shirley about the pirated bogus M-soft software issue originating from India? Please tell me! I'm sure some lowly, dishonest, dumb, uneducated, American pig is behind it all - it can't be an India problem.
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Jim. I do agree 100% with your comments on "my views on education" and also your views and comments about; "the BS of outsourcing".
Also a good paying job and scholarship should be based on MERIT!!!!
Thanks
RC

PSk · Feb 5, 2006

Outsourcing does not work ... I had a personal experience of this on my last project. We are still fixing up/finding things that were never tested.

You get what you pay for, period! ... but there are hidden costs in outsourcing.
Pete

opus10583 · Feb 6, 2006

kirill said:

Let's take a look on the facts here:

Teams of engineers and specialists from Tata Consultancy will assist in the development of a Formula 1 racing car engine for the next season beginning March, said N. Chandrasekaran, executive vice president of the company.
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The first group of Tata's engineers has already reached Maranello, Ferrari's headquarters, to start work on the project, Chandrasekaran said. Tata Consultancy will provide software and various automation services for Ferrari.

Announcement is just worded this way to sound more important than it is.

I think that means that TATA may be developing some engine design\simulation software for Ferrari. I don't think there will be a single line of TATA's code on Ferrari F1 engine control module.It doesn't make sense to outsource stuff that you need to tweak every time during your test sessions
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I can't believe it's taken over two years of responses to this PR troll for someone to simply state the obvious. ...Software engineers. Nothing more.

PSk · Feb 6, 2006

opus10583 said:

I can't believe it's taken over two years of responses to this PR troll for someone to simply state the obvious. ...Software engineers. Nothing more.
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I hope they are different software engineers than the ones my company used ... admittedly we had a software testing phase outsourced. Thus because they did not know the application their testing was er, incomplete and we are still tripping over huge bugs.

If MS's Ferrari grinds to a halt next year, I know who I will be blaming ... outsourcing (not necessarily Tata, cause outsourcing is like working blindfolded).

Pete

PSk · Feb 6, 2006

opus10583 said:

I can't believe it's taken over two years of responses to this PR troll for someone to simply state the obvious. ...Software engineers. Nothing more.
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While I would like to reduce the role of software engineers in F1 too ... even though I am one ... er, not much happens on a modern F1 car without some code either monitoring it, controlling it, or helping the monkey driver do it.

IMO (for racings sake) software should only be used to control the engine and for monitoring ... but that will never happen. Now we have software continually splitting torque to each rear wheel to maximise traction, etc. ... thus with traction control the monkey once lined up can just nail it.

Pete

Gilles27 · Feb 6, 2006

So, I guess you could describe this TATA as being bodacious!

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