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They are frigging car dealers........ As far as I am concerned he should raise his prices!!!

 

I wonder how many other people have to come on here and say that they bought a car from Naples Motorsports for under their asking price before No Doubt will stop preaching his BS to everyone on this board!?!?

Like Cig1 said, maybe they just didn't want to negotiate with him, and by his attitude here I could see why not!! But I forgot, anyone with less posts than him has no say here and even if they bought a $200k car that they personally said they were able to negotiate on it can't be true!!

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and no car dealer is going to make every potential customer happy but I don't know how many more people have to say that they negotiated a price that they were very happy with at Naples before this issue can be dropped. Every car is different, every deal is different, maybe there wasn't much room in the car No Doubt looked at, maybe there was and they didn't like his attitude... whatever it was, they negotiate, they sell great cars and I'll keep buying MY cars from them for a long time to come!

 

I bought my most recent 512TR from them, and they were very professional & fair with me!!! And yes ........................ they DID negotiate with me!!

 

It's not just me. They didn't negotiate with BH1, either. Nor do their eBay auctions sell for anything except full Buy-It-Now list price (take the auction for the red/red 360 in the first post of this thread, for instance).

It's them.

 

I dont think you understand eBay as a whole. I sell ATVs on ebay and I perfer the auction not to end through ebay. Its just used as advertising and for people to call and conduct a sale. Its more $$$ if sold through ebay then if its done outside ebay. They probly only want to sell the car for either buy it now price or very close to so they put the reserve and just use the add for exposure. Where else can you spend 50.00 per car and have the whole world see it? No where...they must be doing somthing right if they are selling that many cars. There sold section on there website updates quite often. I dont know them personally but I probly will do future business with them because as far I have heard, only good things about them..

 

I'm fine with what they are doing, that's what you don't understand. They sell cars and have happy customers. Fine.

What they don't do is negotiate. I used their eBay auctions as *evidence* of that fact so that it isn't just my word against someone else's word.

Of course they have a high reserve on their eBay auctions; that's what I've been saying all along. They sell their cars for list price.

Hey, more power to them.

But...

It would be more respectful if they advertised their prices as being "firm."

That would signal to all haglers to not waste our time. Either pay the full price to Naples or else go buy from someone else.

Same with their eBay auctions. All of those bidders are wasting their time. Those bidders don't realize that Naples isn't going to sell those cars at a discount.

The proper way to be honest with bidders would be to have only the Buy It Now price as an option for those cars (which is how thousands of eBay sellers handle auctions).

Your car still gets exposed to the same number of people for the same length of time, but you aren't wasting the time of bidders if you only have the Buy It Now option.

Letting people waste their time with bids that will never sell a car strikes me as disrespectful.

 

Hey Guys,

Although I'm a newbie to this Forum, I'm a long time Ferrari owner. I also own and LOVE Corvettes, and I'm a Menber of that Forum too. My God!! I feel like I'm on the Corvette Forum today!! ))

I see that I've become one of the hijackers of this thread and I apologize. I just gotta tell you all a quick story about Naples. I bought my latest car from them last week. I check out their website from time to time, and I'm one of "THOSE PEOPLE" who actually liked the red car. I thought the triple exhausts were pretty neat. OK, so shoot me! LOL

Anyway I called them on the car, and Rob said it was sold to an old customer. I asked him if he had a deposit, and he told me he doesn't work that way. It was an old customer, and he wasn't gonna sell it out from under him. After getting over the initial shock of being told NO! We talked about his other inventory. He told me about the Ingrid car, and mentioned it was the prettiest Ferrari color combo He'd ever seen. Also told me the car was PERFECT. Couldn't tell it apart from a showroom new delivery. Well, as I've mentioned before I bought the car sight unseen, and it was MORE then Rob said it was. To end this freaking arguement once and for all I paid 7K under their asking price. I know it's crass to talk about what you pay for a car on a Forum, but under the circumstances.... I don't know if they do this on every car. I suppose it has to do with what they have in the car. I'm pretty sure the price is set to be negotiated on all their cars. Most dealers do that. I told Rob I want the car, what's his best price? He told me, and we had a deal.

Now, I'm not shilling for these guys. I've never done business with them before. Let me tell you where my Ferrari is now. It's right back over at Naples Motorsports. No problems with the car....at least on their end. Joe NASCAR over here (that's me! LOL) clipped the rocks in my driveway on New Years Eve, and put a couple of small scratches on the drivers side rocker panal. These guys were kind enough to offer to have them wetsanded off for me. I figured while it's there I'd use their mechanic and have all the fluids changed, and any other work that would be considered standard for a 3700 mile car done. The rates are probably 1/2 Shelton's charges. My car will be back home thursday. That's my story. I'm gonna go find another thread now where I can make a meaningful contribution. )

Steve


http://www.naplesmotorsports.com/Sold%20Cars/sld%20steve%20360.jpg

 

Good post Steve. Welcome aboard.

 

Steve, cool post. Congrats on the new car.

Now, pull out your camera phone (or your secretary's) and simply snap a photo of your bill of sale. Fchat lets you upload photos with zero hassle.

That way everyone can see that what you said about your purchase price is true, and that I'm all wet.

Then the argument is over. You and Naples are right and I owe everyone a heartfelt apology.

It won't take 20 seconds of your time.

...But I'm betting that your photo will never appear (with great excuses for why not, I'm sure).

Because this thread has been getting a whole lot of "new" subscribers who all know to magically go to the Naples thread for their first ever Fchat posts. Uh huh.

So, will there be a photo from you and an apology from me...or just excuses?

 

Gee, no bill of sale. How shocking. It's almost as though I predicted this outcome.

Well OK, so Steve's out.

Now, will someone who *really* bought a car from Naples snap a cameraphone pic of their bill of sale to show that Naples really does negotiate (I'll pull their ad prices from the Internet's WayBackMachine just so that we're all on the level)?

I mean, that bill of sale photo and the internet asking price would show that I'm all wet...that I'm wrong about Naples Motor Sports not negotiating. This whole argument would be (finally) over. I'd owe most everyone involved an apology (a sincere apology).

Bueller? Class? Anyone? Anyone?!

Didn't think so.

 

Wow...complete radio silence after I asked for a bill of sale photo (from someone who was already talking about the price paid).

Talk about Busted...

 

Lol Lawdog must feel like a jet jam packed with al qaedas.
Some pretty interesting observations about all these new f chat members who magically know how to go straight to the "pimp package" thread without passing another thread. Seems like Naples is trying to do some damage control?
"Is there noone else?" Can nobody produce evidence of a transaction that completed for less than what the tag was?. What is the truth? Forget it, I can't handle the truth.
-Peter

 

Naples Motor Sport Update: 8% "restocking" fee charged (after 40 miles!) to fellow FChatter Steve Miller for taking back his repainted Ferrari: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=91651

 

No Doubt, you're the person to whom I wanted to apologize. When I get home later I'm gonna snap a pic or 2 of the docs I had to sign to be reimbursed and post them. If that doesn't work I'll scan them Monday at the office and then post. Interesting stuff.

 

OK, to put to rest (FINALLY!) the Naples Motor Sport "Negotiates on Price or Not" question:

Fchatter Steven Miller points out here: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=91651 that "I traded my ’06 Corvette Convertible on this car. The selling price of the car was $191,125.00. I was allowed $53925 on my trade."

Forgetting for the moment that he was "allowed" ~~$54k for a ~~$60k 2006 Vette drop-top, Google's cache shows Steve's 360 Spider on Naples' web site (here: http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:wmerSsPUo6UJ:www.naplesmotorsports.com/inventory.htm+360+ingrid+spider+site:www.naplesmotorsports.com&hl=en ) with a Naples' list price of $194,995.

So while Naples wouldn't negotiate with myself or with fellow FChatter BH1, Naples does appear to have discounted Steve's 360 Spider by $3,870 (presuming a "fair" trade in value was given on the 2006 Vette).

By my calculations ($3,870 divided by $194,995), that's a 1.98% discount off of the listed "sticker" price.

So there you have it. Linked, referenced, web site information and a little math that shows that Naples has discounted one of their cars for sale by almost 2 percent.

 

Steve, posting those no-lawsuit docs is far more apology than I would have ever asked.

No hard feelings from me, I assure you. Sorry about your 8% restocking fee experience from elsewhere.

 

Sounds like the over valued for the Vette... with incentives you can get $8000.00 off a new 06 vette convt. So that means I can buy a 60k vette for 52k theres another 3-4 k add it up and you are at a 4% discount on the car.
The issue here is they did negotiate so No doubt you were wrong!

 

Precisely correct...if you talk to any of the big dealers, they mainly use Ebay as a marketing or sales vehicle, almost expecting not to sell the car...just look at how few completed deals get consumated...actually very few.

 

Well, we may have been talking about different things. You seem to be equating "discount" with "negotiating," for instance. And I was intellectually honest enough to do the math and the Internet cache research as well as post the calculation showing that Naples Motorsport *did* discount their asking price by almost 2% on at least one car.

But...

Here's what happened to me. I called Naples and got the obligatory "Todd and Robb are in a meeting" spiel. Then one of them called me.

We discussed the car. I asked for his best price. He wouldn't give me anything but the sticker price...and then he asked me what I wanted to pay. So I gave him a figure.

Then nothing.

He just said "No."

There was no counter offer. Just "No" and silence.

Now, in the normal scheme of things, when you offer $150k on a $160k car, hypothetically, you expect the dealer to come back with "No, but I'll let her go for $155k."

That wasn't my experience at Naples. There was no give and take. No "negotiation." Just "No" followed by silence.

I've forgotten which one called me first, Robb or Todd, but the other one called me later and repeated the entire process above verbatim...as if i'd do something different by talking to the other one!

There was no counter-offer.

Now, after Steven's experience, I am **admitting** that Naples has discounted one of their cars by almost 2%, so they will cut a bit of the price off...

...But what I don't yet know is if Naples made a counter-offer (i.e. negotiated in good faith) to Steven or if Steven just gave Naples a price that they liked when they asked *him* what he'd pay.

Another way to view my issue is that I'm a haggler; the give-and-take negotiation process is how I'm accustomed to doing business...so when Todd and Rob both refused to give me a counter-offer, I saw that as "not negotiating."

On the other hand, if the "give and take" isn't your focus, then perhaps you can consider Naples to be "negotiating" when they discount a car by almost 2%. If that's your angle, then you are correct that I was "wrong" about Naples, and if so, then I apologize.

But understand that we may be talking about two different things: discounting versus making a counter-offer in good faith.

If you view "negotiating" as the buyer and seller both making good faith offers and counter-offers, then in my experience Naples Motorsports does not negotiate. They may "discount" by 2%, but they haven't, in my experience, made counter-offers or otherwise participated in legitimate good faith negotiations.

They want *you* the potential buyer to give them a price figure...but they don't reciprocate.

 

Should i make some pop corn ?

 

No Doubt,

Here are a couple pics of my bill of sale from Naples and the ad for my car. I blacked out my address, but did leave my full name on the bill of sale so everyone could see that it is in fact my car. Naples discounted the car 7% in this case. There was no trade in, so this was all off of their asking price.
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JayO, you're the man! Thanks for that pictorial evidence. So now we've got Naples discounting at least 2 cars, one by 6.4% (your $46,785/$49,995 sticker) and another by almost 2% (Steve Miller's 360).

But tell me, when you were talking to Todd/Rob, did they ever give you a counter-offer price figure, or did they simply agree to a price that you gave to them?

 

Not to nit pick, but I would definitely say the discount was 7%. The sale price of the car was $46,500. Every dealer charges doc fees and if you included those as part of the purchase price, then the original price was $50,280.

Anyway...

Yes, there was some negotiating back and forth.Their price, my offer, their counter offer, my 2nd offer, they accepted. For the record, I spoke with Rob.

Also, I bought a 2001 Boxster S from Naples. They had it listed for $39,995 and I paid $36,750. But, that was a couple cars ago and I can't find that bill of sale anymore.

 

Wow. That's good to know. They would have sold a Ferrari to me had they bothered with that same simple etiquette early last year.

Thanks for the follow up.