488 Ferrari Pista vs Mclaren 720s in autobahn

Straight line speed gets all the glory, but what happens when you have to turn the wheel.

It’s like they say, length matters but girth is more important.

 

Mclaren, Ferrari and others are going to have to go 4WD for this crazy power to be utilized. Ferrari realized it and went with the F90. Mclaren will follow suit.

 

Are you sure this year? I’m being told next fall for a summer 2021 delivery.

 

I believe this is correct.

 

I bet when dyno'd the Pista will have very similar power to the 720.

 

The power wars have to stop soon and the mnfrs should focus on other things to differentiate. It will get ridiculous real quick.

 

What is correct? Release this year or next? This year makes no sense- 2 years after the regular 720 launch?

 

I believe you are correct. The LT should be released/announced about a year from now.

 

ok - that is what I have heard as well. Im on the list...excited to add it to the garage along with my incoming pista. Then I think I'm done buying cars.









for now....lol

 

I have 7 right now, I am selling 4. LMK if you want a white spider.

 

Doubt it very much. I heard during the development they got 750 but dialed it back. Realistically there are so few places you can use that level of power and even then are usually best feeding it on to full throttle so traction is maintained.

 

Firstly a big thank-you to Brooks and Robert for making the video - great to see a real world comparison!

Both the pista and 720s are extremely fast cars - many would argue too fast.

The pista limits torque at lower RPM's in order to enhance the driving experience. They've also managed to make a turbo engine without lag - truly class leading. In contrast the the engine made by Riccardo for the 720s makes big power but with a decent amount of lag. A roll race when you're always in boost will hide the flaws of the Mclaren and highlight the downside of Ferrari's decision to reduce torque.

Would the ferrari be a better car with 50 more hp with more lag and full torque in all gears? IMO absolutely not. However for the purpose of a roll race it would have been.

Ultimately the test is still fascinating to see, but I'd still prefer the pista.

 

There is no lag in the 720. I own one- have a Pista invoking. Neutral observer and not a fan boy of any brand and I can tell you from experience there is no lag in the 720.

 

Just read the article. I didn’t see where it stated the car would be revealed this year.

 

Brooks states at 12:25 there is more boost lag in the 720s.

 

I’ve driven a 720S and there is certainly lag but less than a 675LT. A GT2 RS also has lag. The most lag-less car I’ve owned is a 488 and even it still has some, albeit much less than the others. Jump into a Speciale or 812 after driving any of the above and the difference in response will be immediately obvious.

 

In any turbo car you can invoke lag in a similar way as how an NA car will behave flooring it in too tall a gear at too low an rpm. Some turbos are harder than others to find it. No difference there in that sense. The throttle response on the 2rs and 488 is so immediate....so much power and torque on instant tap....crazy.....these 2 are just all go and no let up or delay due to lag manifesting. Sensational. If anything I would have said the 2rs feels more immediate on throttle than my 488. Probably the VTG technology doing its job. 720 definitely has lag but no where near as bad as say a 570 or 600 which are truly awful in comparison to the 720 and especially a 2rs or 488 where these two are splitting hairs in that area.....not a fair comparison to the macs really.
Pista will be interesting but i'm only days away now from finding out what that car is all about but once i've done some run in mileage I don't foresee finding anything in the area of lag that could be claimed as being noticeable unless i of course I go right out of my way to invoke it. And I say that based on my experience with 488. With the Macs the lag becomes evident pretty quickly into the drive and you get to know you really need to stay at a particular rpm to avoid it unlike the porker and F car which you can manage like how you would with an NA.

 

It is minimal but the Ferrari has even less.

 

We may have different definitions of turbo lag. For me, it’s the delay to reach the prescribed boost pressure for a given throttle angle and not the delay before the car starts to react and accelerate. All the above cars react quickly to throttle, but they all need time to build up to the target boost pressure as defined by the throttle map. Case in point, drive a GT2 RS at 4K RPM and mash the throttle. You can feel and see (on the display) the boost build to peak pressure.

 

"The 2020 McLaren 750LT is expected to debut next spring at the Geneva Motor Show; the Spider version will likely trail its coupe counterpart by about a year."

It will probably deliver in the Fall of 2020. I wonder what they will do to command a premium. Preowned 720's are a good deal right now so spend another $200K+ on a car it will really have to be special.

 

Turbo lag is expressed in the form of time delay in throttle response felt by the driver. I've never taken too much notice of the gauge and the time taken for the gauge to show full boost mainly because the car is usually accelerating so hard catapulting it toward the next corner. This of course demands eyes on road rather than boost gauge and If there was ever a need to see why the engine was not hurtling the car toward the next end in its usual mind bending fashion then maybe I would have time to look.

The superior turbo engine has been engineered to deliver its power in a manner which specifically avoids any time delay in throttle response from driver input. A delay in throttle response on a turbo engine = turbo lag.

 

Difference between turbo lag and boost threshold:

 

But a 720 isn't a 750LT...and I have a feeling it will be special.

Let's see and I pray they limit edition, but I think we all know they probably won't. They will call it 'limited production'.

 

Understood, but a high performance NA engine gives you near instant full power. It doesn't need to spool up to get there. Again, we're talking about different things (lag vs. threshold as the video describes).