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Discussion in 'California/Portofino/Roma' started by ajr550, Feb 7, 2019.

  1. llk

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    The calculus changes in racing cars, there is less weight to move and gearing is designed to keep the engine in the maximum power range....which is what you are pointing out. That's not practical in a road car. Again, what we want is power, what we feel is torque.
     
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  3. REALZEUS

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    Nope, what you feel is power (flywheel torque x RPM), translated into torque on the driven wheels, when multiplied by the drivetrain.
     
  4. Adamas

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    I like the sketch better than the finished product.

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  5. llk

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    ".... torque on the driven wheels, ....."
     
  6. G. Pepper

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    Yeah, but it would have to be about nine feet wide to look like that. :)
     
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    For me a great teacher has always been someone that is gifted with the art of explaining even the most difficult of the subjects just by using simple words and examples that anyone can understand. That's what this guy in the video has done while explaining what's Torque and Power and what are their differences.
     
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  8. inox

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    Perhaps the sentence was meant to be:
    "Power is what everyone thinks they want, torque is what they need...."

    The reasoning behind this is that Torque and Power go hand in hand (Torque x Revs = Power). If you have Torque without revs, the car is not moving and you don't feel anything. Then again you are not going to get any Power without Torque, but in the end, Power is what moves you.

    However, if we consider this from the point that which is more important: maximum Power or maximum Torque? We could conclude that in normal driving we need maximum Torque (= mid range Power) more than maximum Power.
     
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  9. llk

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    Hah! Yeah, you make a great point! My family was in the scrap business and many years ago we had trucks powered by the wonderful Detroit Diesel 8V71. They made zillions of tourques, and as you point out, you didn't necessarily feel the beasts moving....to further make your point, they ran through 5X4 transmissions. Indeed, you are correct sir!! Should we meet, drinks are on me!
     
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  10. wbaeumer

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    The drawings make it very clear that they "stole" the design from the Maserati Alfieri study...
     
  11. DeSoto

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    I don´t see the resemblance with the Maserati either, apart from the inevitable similarities caused by a similar mechanical distribution, same "soft GT" product philosophy and close historical heritage.

    Personally I like the Maserati better.
     
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  12. wbaeumer

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    Look to the real Alfieri study and compare it with the real Roma. Very similar overal lines. Front section of the Roma is influenced by Aston Martin and rear is somewhat Porsche-like!
     
  13. inox

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    Or simply a test mule for Roma headlights?

    Would be a nice improvement for Portofino though...
     
  14. 456-boy

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    Could also be the Portofino facelift, as the Portofino is now almost 4 years old.

    Both Portofino and Roma have similar vocations (compared to Lusso or 812), it seems logical that both of them get similar details on the design.
     
  15. Superfans

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    Interesting, it seems unusual for Ferrari to simply facelift their cars?
     
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    All of those while they featured engineering changes to a greater or lesser degree were primarily facelifts.

    While it is presented as a new model the F8tributo is a very heavy facelift of the 488 which is in turn a facelift and reengined 458.

    I would not be surprised if a facelift of the Portofino also brought a new smaller more emissions friendly engine.
     
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  17. G. Pepper

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    And 456, 456M; 360, 430; 458, 488, F8. It's a go-to strategy for Ferrari. There are many more examples. 400, 412i, for example. Someone should do a complete list.
     
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  18. gowthamn

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    Any picture of someone sitting in the rear seats? It is supposed to have more leg room than Portofino.

    Sent from my SM-G975U1 using FerrariChat.com mobile app
     
  19. REALZEUS

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    That's a huge stretch! Apart from the 456s, the rest were new models, based on the same basic architecture. A facelift is what they did with the 456M.
     
  20. G. Pepper

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    If they're on the same platform, it's an update to me. The more radical ones would be with different engines, like the 360/430 and 458/488, but the platforms and glass are the same.
     
  21. REALZEUS

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    Most cars (not just Ferraris) are not on a new platform. Platforms are usually shared amongst 2-3 generations. They are not facelifts though; different engines, set up, technology, performance etc. The 456 was a good example of a facelift.
     
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