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  1. Aardy

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    #1 Aardy, Feb 12, 2023
    With the return of Ferrari to Le Mans, I think it’s time to make a big historical thread about Ferrari in the World Sports Car Championship and also in the main non-championship races.

    I will only post thumbnails, trying everytime to give the source for a bigger image. So, there will be no hypocrisy about copyrights and we will be able to move forward with this idea : no discussion without a period picture !

    Hope you will like this new thread. Thanks for your interest ! ;)
     
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    #2 Aardy, Feb 12, 2023
    Timetable for the 1953 World Sports Car Championship :
    I - 8 March, Sebring 12 Hours, USA
    II - 25-26 April, Mille Miglia, ITA
    III - 13-14 June, Le Mans 24 Hours, FRA
    IV - 25-26 July, Spa-Francorchamps 24 Hours, BEL
    V - 30 August, Nürburgring ADAC 1000 kms, DEU
    VI - 5 September, Tourist Trophy, Dundrod, GBR
    VII - 19-23 November Carrera Panamericana, MEX

    We will also talk about non-championship races like Agadir, Giro di Sicilia, Silverstone, Targa Florio, Hyères, Boavista, GP dell’Autodromo, Reims, Coppa d'Oro delle Dolomiti, Messina, Monsanto, Senigallia, Pescara, Liège-Rome-Liège, Supercortemaggiore GP, Tour de France, Coppa Inter-Europa, Casablanca...(non-exhaustive list)
     
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    #3 Aardy, Feb 12, 2023
    Before starting the races (I will start with Agadir on 15 February in three days), let's take a look at the cars built during the winter of 1952-1953...;)
     
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    #4 Aardy, Feb 12, 2023
    Ferrari built two almost identical cars during winter 1952-1953 : 0238/A for Severt Sundberg, Ornäs in Sweden and 0230/MM for Roberto Rossellini who was living in Roma (ITA), both with Vignale spyders bodies. First one had only 7 horizontal bars in the grill. Second 8 bars.

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    Link to 0238/A pic :
    https://jenikirbyhistory.getarchive.net/media/1952-maranello-ferrari-340-0238a-ce865d

    © for 0230/MM pic : french book "Ferrari entre réalité et légende" by Otto Grizzi, Gründ (2008), page 92.
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    #8 Marcel Massini, Feb 12, 2023
    It should be noted that chassis number 0238 A was a 340 America Spider (4.1 liter), whereas chassis number 0230 MM was a 250 MM Spider (3 liter).
    0238 A was completed three months earlier than 0230 MM.

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    #9 Marcel Massini, Feb 12, 2023
    Circuit de Vitesse d'Agadir took place 27 February 1953, not 15 February.

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    #10 Aardy, Feb 12, 2023
    More pics of 0238/A (source : Facebook) :

    https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/217599697_284493416802953_3878062525742170953_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=mfo4v1Y3M7EAX8tcbTb&_nc_ht=scontent-cdg2-1.xx&oh=00_AfDUdP9vHJopqXRflV4wdF7HSTtAvCKPSQopRY9mGbxETQ&oe=63EE4039

    Hi Marcel,
    Many thanks for your comments. Regarding Agadir, date on poster is 15 February 1953. What makes you think it was on 27 February ?

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    #11 Marcel Massini, Feb 12, 2023
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    FYI when I personally inspected this 166 MM/53 Coupé Vignale on 9 July 1990 at Dino Cognolato's Carrozzeria Nova Rinascente in Vigonza near Padova (for my upcoming book "Ferrari by Vignale") the car was wearing cassis number "0049 S" and NOT 0244 M............
    (Yes, we all know that 0049 S is a 166 Inter Coupé GHIA, which was turned into a poor "Barchetta Touring REBODY" by Betz & Peters in CA/USA and which is now being brought back to original Coupé Ghia bodywork in Brazil. Pic below.)

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    #12 Marcel Massini, Feb 12, 2023
    Maurice Louche (book) and Jean Sage (I own the Sage archive).

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    #13 Aardy, Feb 12, 2023
    Incredible story ! The joys of Ferrari history ! :)
     
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    #15 Marcel Massini, Feb 12, 2023
    FYI the Albergo Reale became Hotel Real Fini at Largo Garibaldi in Modena, pic below. This is where the pic with Sundberg and Tanner was taken.
    Also, the end of 0238 A and Severt Sundberg 22 February 1953 in Burträsk. About one month after he had taken delivery. Sundberg had no right arm and therefore was nicknamed "Kroken" as he had lost the lower part of his right arm in a carpentry factory accident before WWII.

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    #16 Aardy, Feb 12, 2023
    Others pics of 0238 A from Facebook :
    https://scontent-cdt1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/74575869_10157728918435758_3947769518545174528_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=Qr9sw9lfROsAX9NtYGC&_nc_ht=scontent-cdt1-1.xx&oh=00_AfDEYwfZ0rom3yXCNA4rd9iTStLjujERKs3IOxa6UC_4PQ&oe=640FFFFF
     
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    #17 Timmmmmmmmmmy, Feb 12, 2023
    I get why you would start in 1953 but equally, why not start in '47? #playingdevilsadvocate
     
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    #18 Timmmmmmmmmmy, Feb 12, 2023
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    Thats a fabulous looking program
     
  19. Marcel Massini

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    #19 Marcel Massini, Feb 12, 2023
    I suggest 1898.....

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    #20 Aardy, Feb 12, 2023
    Because I have planned to talk about the races that took place exactly 70 years ago !
    It will be funny to follow I think ! :)
     
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    #21 Timmmmmmmmmmy, Feb 12, 2023
    Supposedly the first motor race was held in 1894. That said it was a reliability trial won by Daimler powered Peugeot and Panhard et Levassour at 21km/h after the De Dion Bouton (and trailer, pictured below, what a way to travel!) that crossed the line first was disqualified for not meeting the entry requirements. It wasn't actually a race per se since the competitors stopped for leisurely lunch. The first timed race was the 1895 Paris-Bordeaux epic. Just thought Ferraris first sportscar race was '47 but philosophically the world sportscar championship has run since '53 so either have a great basis!

    https://www.goodwood.com/grr/race/historic/2019/6/the-1894-paris-rouen-trial-the-race-that-wasnt-a-race/

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    #22 Timmmmmmmmmmy, Feb 12, 2023
    Yes it will
     
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    #24 Aardy, Feb 12, 2023
    Great Timothy but please, respect the chronology. ;) I’m trying to follow real dates. Sebring was on 8 March 1953. Then let’s talk about this race on 8 March 2023 only ! :) Mille Miglia only in end of April...;)
    If not, this thread will become a « More old photos » thread bis with tons of unsorted pics ! :D Thanks ! ​
     
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    #25 Marcel Massini, Feb 12, 2023
    I was more thinking of the year of birth of Enzo Ferrari, for those who still remember who he was........

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