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  1. Marcel Massini

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    So you are saying the factory made a"mistake" no fewer than 3 times, re the same vehicle? Look at the build sheets, 0266 M is clearly a 166 MM/53 chassis and is clearly fitted with a 3-liter engine. The chassis number stamping on the frame has the suffix "M" (single letter, not "MM" for a Mille Miglia............). Then there are two factory letters dated 8th September 1972 (to Petersen) and another one dated 5 December 1972 to A. B., both stating 0266 M, not 0260 MM........

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  2. Marcel Massini

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    Just FYI Phil Hill bought cars also for other people, such as Bill Devin, etc.

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  3. Aardy

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    OK. I understand you don't agree Piero Umberto Sartori's Vignale coupe was 0266M...:D
     
  4. kare

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    Quite impossible, someone at the factory made it quite clear more than 50 years ago already!?
     
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  5. Marcel Massini

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    Your understanding is wrong.
    And once again, do not put your words in my mouth.

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  6. Aardy

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    Oh, it gets better ! A little more effort and you will be able to say that Sartori's Vignale coupe was indeed 0266M...:D:D:D
     
  7. Sempre_gilles

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    In my personal database I found a note that 0049 S was renumbered into 0070 S. Same time as the renumbering of 0244 MM into 0049 S???
    As we all know, the factory was quite willing to assist foreign customers in import tax evasion schemas but the original 0049 S was sold in Italy....
     
  8. JAM1

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    Phil Hill would hardly be the first racer to order and own multiple new cars at the same time. Several guys in that period did so. In fact, they still do it today!
     
  9. Marcel Massini

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    This is the 166 Inter Coupé Ghia, two chassis numbers stamped within 20 centimeters on the same frame tube: 0049/S and on the right 0070/S.

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  10. Aardy

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    Quizz of the day : which Vignale coupe #514 with « TI 576 » plates did not start at Mille Miglia 1957 with Aldo Martinelli and Aldo Conconi and which was its type (166 MM/53, 225 S, 250...) ??
    Like the Piero Umberto Sartori‘s Vignale coupe #63 Trieste-Opicina, barchetta.cc says it was 0244M but of course it’s not. Then, which one is the #514 at Mille Miglia 1957 ?
     
  11. Marcel Massini

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    You have the race number wrong..........

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  12. Aardy

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    Oh yes ! rather 519. Thanks Marcel ! And which was the serial number and type to your opinion ? Thanks in advance !
     
  13. Aardy

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    Funny to see that no one wants to identify this car even though with the plate ! Would its identity contradict everything that has been said about it in the previous posts ? :D:D:D
     
  14. Marcel Massini

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    The plate is a Swiss one from the canton Ticino (in the Italian speaking part of Switzerland). It belonged at the time to Martinelli & Sonvico, the official Swiss Ferrari dealer in Lugano.

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  15. Aardy

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    :D
    And the serial number is... :D
     
  16. kare

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    Secret knowledge, I guess.
     
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  17. Aardy

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    Yes. The identity of this car should not call into question the veracity of what has been said before ! :D:D:D:D:D:D:D
     
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    Slightly better pic.........

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  19. Aardy

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    Thanks Andrew. ;) Who will be strong enough to identify this car and put an end to this unbearable suspense ? :D:D:D
     
  20. kare

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    I'm trying to spot Phil Hill in the photo...
     
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  21. Aardy

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    :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
     
  22. bs76

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    Hello,
    it's very difficult to identify the car with #519 without period pics of S/N 0266M.
    I see a lot of body difference to the (known) pics from 1969..But in 10-15 years a lot can be change...
    There are also a lot of body difference to S/N 0244M..
    Can anybody clearly identify if the car is RHD or LHD?
    What's realy puzzle me are the 2 lenghtly portholes...
    I only know 1 Vignale Berlinetta with such portholes...That's S/N 0237EU.

    best wishes,
    BjörnS
     
  23. stevenwk

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    That Maserati in front of the hotel isn't bad either....
     
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  24. Aardy

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    Believe me, #519 is not 0237EU...
     
  25. Aardy

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    11 July 1954, Coppa d'Oro delle Dolomiti, Italy

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    #98 250 Monza Scaglietti spyder 0442M Gerino Gerini 3rd
    #99 Primo Pezzoli DNF (0314M ?)
    #102 Luigi Piotti DNF (?)
    #105 Salvatore Ammendola 4th (?)
    #106 Gino Casarotto DNF (0147E ?)
    #107 Franco Cornacchia (0404M ?) 15th

    Winner : Sergio Mantovani on Maserati A6GCS #94

    I don’t know why it’s so difficult to find pictures of this race.:confused:
     
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