Ferrari sued for lack of speed

Oh, bother. Not brother, bother.

You would think with a difference of 11 mph this would be an issue raised on F-Chat, loud and clear, daily since the release of the Challenge Stradale. But, it hasn't been, so I'd have to say it's this driver's issue, as opposed to that of Ferrari.

Car + Conditions + Driver = Result

Any one of us could rip a Country Squire Station Wagon around a grocery store parking lot like it's nobody's business, aye?

But can he?

Car:
Ferrari Challenge Stradale

Conditions:
Is the portion of the (presumably) Autobahn he did his test runs on ever so slightly uphill? Is he pu$$yfooting? Against what standard was he timed?

Driver
Is he fat? Is he blind in one eye? Is his passenger fat? Is his passenger looking at the Speedo from the side? Is he pu$$yfooting?

Ferrari:
300 kph (186.42 mph)

Joerg W.:
282 kph (175.23479999999998 mph)

Claimed difference:
18 kph (11.18520000000002 mph)

If you can find it, give it a listen:
Lip Up, Fatty - great tune by Bad Manners

 

How do any of us know how many times or how long he has given Ferrari to remedy this problem. This suit may just be one more step of many on his part. For all we know when he brought it up Ferrari may have just thumbed their nose at him. Many of us have certainly seen that before.

I have seen many and been involved in a few suits with car manufacturers on both sides and I cannot remember even one when litigation was the opening salvo. It's time for us to stop Ford, Mazda, Ferrari and every other manufacturer of any product from looking us in the eye and lying to make a sale.

More power to him.

 

Not only do I think this publicity seeking crybaby's lawsuit is a complete waste of time - I wonder if it makes any economic sense. How much of a loss would he take reselling a CS in Germany? What are his financial risks under German law - for example, if he loses his suit, will he have to pay Ferrari's legal fees? How much time is the PSC going to have to spend on this lawsuit, instead of his own business? I wonder what's really going on here, it just doesn't sound right to me. From what I've heard so far, I'm ready to contribute to the Cavallino Defense Fund.

I assume Ferrari's defense will have nothing to do with "puffing" - they'll claim that the car's top speed, as tested by them, is 186 mph, and that the plaintiff's failure to achieve that reflects any of a large number of factors. Also, they might point to disclaimer language in the owner's manual, such as, among others:

"Specifications and options may vary because of specific legal and commercial requirements. Information in this publication is therefore not binding in any way."

Has anyone torn down his motor to determine whether total displacement is precisely the claimed 3586.2?

 

Maybe there is something wrong with HIS car.

 

Whatever. Ferrari "screwed" him because his street car will only hit about 180. I'm sure his fatass will be crying to his mouthpiece about McDonalds next.

 

Mazda does have an excuse and Rob and Matteo both mentioned it earlier in the thread.

 

Ive got the figures about this at home, I'll get them later. I know when the Gallardo speedo says its going 100kmph its actually 92...

 

Maybe.

As of yet, there's only an "according to" story. Supposing the story checks out... put all the conditions mentioned earlier aside, as of this writing, there's no indication he put in for a checkup - only that he wants his money back. Other than that - a claim that led to a claim.

Is he a reasonable man to deal with?

What did he say to Ferrari?
"Ich wünsche nicht wenns unds oder abers, bedeute ich Geldrückseite!"

"I do not wish ifs ands or buts, I want my money back!"

Yeah, that bit of Achtung will get you dort und zurück. Nicht.

Currently, there's more output than there is input. Without facts - GIGO

 

Well, either way I just hope it make the mainstream news over here so we can get a bunch of good lawsuits going in our courts too. I really, really believe that this is a VERY VERY important issue that our court systems need to deal with ASAP. I won't be able to sleep until this top speed thing brings Ferrari to its knees. I, for one, think that we as Ferrari owners AND our honest lawyers need to make as much money on this as a good class action case can. That's the only way we can right this thing as far as I can see.

God Bless America!

Now, how long until I get my check?

 

He can't claim that the speed was the prime reason for the purchese as it was a Ferrari, that would look weak.

 

Anybody can sue anybody for just about anything here in the U.S. I think the guy has a point but I would not sue over it because how could you prove what your loss is by not being able to go that extra 10 mph. Even if he won, so what? I don't know about the truth in advertising thing. Maybe it is signifigant. Maybe MS shoulld go drive it and get it speed traped to find out. I'm sure Ferrari could come up with a few modes to get it quicker.

 

I find it hilarious how many people are denouncing this guys actions. This crap has got to stop. Not just with Ferrari, but all automotive manufacturers. Mark my words, if he pursues this case aggressively, he will win this case. This is nothing more than false advertising and marketing hype. All the guy has to do is find 2 other CS owners, record the test with a third party present, and see what the cars can do. 3 cars is a reasonable test population. If all 3 cars cannot duplicate the top speed that Ferrari claims, game over. He wins. All it takes is one person to set precedence, then the manufacturers will smarten up.

On second thought, maybe he should just drive it downhill, as with the Ferrari-orchestrated F430 tests. Yeah, that'll fix it.

 

Ferrari claimed that the 612 is a prety car, should they be sued for that lie too?



I'm with you on that one tho..it's a slam dunk against Ferrari.

 

words escape me.

Doesn't this guy have ANYTHING better to do? It's not like his steering wheel didn't have an airbag or some other safety related issue. It's a stupidass top speed pissing contest. How much time was he planning on spending up near 200 anyway? Who cares? He should just write a letter to Ferrari telling them to go **** themselves and their top speeds, sell the stupid car, and spend the rest of the time and money that he would otherwise be putting into this foolishness towards a good charity. Wouldn't that be much, much better? Instead he is going to try and save us all from Ferrari's evil max speed lies.
The guy really needs to get a life.

Oh that's right, it's the PRINCIPLE of the matter...

 

Thank you..This just goes to show how completely out of touch some people are. There are people dying all around us..and this fool is worried about his top speed numbers. Maybe he should top speed himself into a tree. Then maybe he'll learn that its fast enough.

Yes car builders should be accountable for fale claims in a the saftey department of the car..not the top speed of the car.

 

It actually is.

Sad thing is, Ferrari didn't even need to make this (supposedly false) claim. Their production run is always sold out. All they have to do is say the top speed is 160+.

 

No, they should be accountable for EVERY claim they make. As is anyone else who is selling a product on the basis of those claims.

 

The guy's weight will NOT be a factor if he is just getting the top speed reading. It will take him longer to get to his top speed but he will eventually get there, whatever speed that maybe. If he ever to decide to dump a ton of gold in his CS and evenly distribute it around the car; the top speed will probably decrease by less than 10 mph. That's if the tires do not blow out first.

 

175?! What does the car rev-out to in 6th? I would be amazed if it was aero limited at 175.

 

Weight does not affect top speed , acceleration yes but not top speed. For those that bagged on the guy (if in fact he is fat ) go back to school.

The guy is lucky to live in the land of the Autobahn , for those that question how often he would go flat out. First of all it's none of your business , to him this is important. Have any of you who bagged on him ever driven the autobahn? Speed still rules on their .Like the other guy said, if the claim had been about Lambo you guys would be laughing at Lambo for putting out BS claims. But because it about Ferrari you circle the wagons trash the guy because he has the testosterone to flog his car. To the guy who posted he should have tested the car before purchase , have you ever bought a new Ferrari cause that comment was funny ?

Good for him , hope he wins. He bought a product based on a claim made by the manf. and it does not perform as advertised plain and simple he deserves to get his cash back. Hope it doesn't take 18 months for his refund.

 

Extremely well said!

Sunny

 

As said before, completely out of touch. Come on. This is a guy complaining that his car lacks some miles on the advertised topspeed. A little annoying? Perhaps. A worthy cause to put in a lawsuit? Hell no. A refund? You must be joking.

He probably was spoiled rotten as a child.

 

"To the guy who posted he should have tested the car before purchase , have you ever bought a new Ferrari cause that comment was funny ?"

I suggested he sell the car and buy something else - but take a test drive before buying his next car. Yes, I've bought new Ferraris before and, yes, in some cases it is possible to take a test drive ... but you already know that, right?



"The guy is lucky to live in the land of the Autobahn"

I agree!



As for the suggestion that some of us would change ouur tune if a Lambo were involved - nah - it's all about the principle of the thing - not wasting public resources on what IMO are petty complaints.

 

I doubt it. He's probably someone who worked his a$$ off to get the car of his dreams, only to realize that the manufacturer made false claims. If this were you, maybe you would feel the same.

 

So, you test drove these Ferrari's to their top speed? Interesting. If you didn't, I don't know why you would mention a test drive. Or maybe you have some way of extrapolating a car's top speed based on an average test ride?