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  1. 410SA

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    #1 410SA, Sep 2, 2004
    The CGT seems to have spectacular performance numbers given its real world availability at approx 40% of the Enzo's real world value.
    I think that some day the CGT will be recognized as one of the all time greats, once Porsche figures out that limited numbers equals higher value for their owners.
     
  2. SupercarFreak

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    #2 SupercarFreak, Sep 3, 2004
    One more point: it would be even better if they made the clutch more user-friendly, I've heard some race car's clutches are easier to operate, haha.
     
  3. richard

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    #3 richard, Sep 3, 2004
    Everyone I've talked to with half a brain has had no troubles at all mastering the CGT clutch. All you do is release the pedal. Don't give it any gas, and away you go. This was explained at the outset, and yet still people carry on about the clutch! What Porsche has done is a world first, of course it will make some people unhappy.

    Another thing to think about is that the CGT has a standard manual shifter, not paddles. Imagine how much faster it'd be with paddles and a good gearbox! Lap times would decrease and the gap between the CGT and Enzo on the track would widen even more...

    I think that given the amount of technology crammed into this thing, if Porsche produced the same number of CGTs as Ferrari produced Enzos, the CGT would have been more expensive. Larger run means lower price.
     
  4. RaptorAKL

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    #4 RaptorAKL, Sep 3, 2004
    The CGT is perhaps the greatest sportscar produced up to this point....aside from the Enzo, that is:).
     
  5. damcgee

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    #5 damcgee, Sep 9, 2004
    That Motor Trend article really sold me on this car, too. Given an estimated production run of 1500 units, I think this car will depreciate like a normal car does (at least as normally as a supercar can). This is a car I would I can see myself owning one day (Something I can't say about the Enzo).
     
  6. 410SA

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    #6 410SA, Sep 9, 2004
    Check this out
     
  7. speedy_sam

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    #7 speedy_sam, Sep 9, 2004
    Alex so you own a CGt as well as F40 ... how cool is that...
     
  8. zjpj

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    #8 zjpj, Sep 10, 2004
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Congratulations!
     
  9. 410SA

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    #9 410SA, Sep 10, 2004
    Thanks...
    The deal was too good to pass up. A car that was thought to be able to fetch a very big number ran into a temporary glut of cars available and the dealer had to make a deal to free up his money. I guess I was in the right place at the right time.

    The reviews of the car are excellent and the recent Motor Trend test clinched the deal for me.
     
  10. tonyh

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    #10 tonyh, Sep 10, 2004
    Fantastic ! Do you any have pics of your cars together, pls?
     
  11. Tyler

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    #11 Tyler, Sep 10, 2004
    Congrats Alex, the CGT is a monster car! :)
     
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    #12 amenasce, Sep 10, 2004
    F40 or CGT ? Which do you prefer ?
     
  13. WILLIAM H

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    #13 WILLIAM H, Sep 10, 2004
    I sopke to Benny Caiola who has an Enzo & a CGT & he much prefers the CGT for longer drives as its a lot more comfortable.

    The F40 is a harsh beast, although the blinding acceleration, the hp & the turbo sounds are Highly addictive :)
     
  14. 410SA

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    #14 410SA, Sep 10, 2004
    I'll have pics of the F40 and the CGT together sometime over the weekend.
    First impressions: The CGT is a regular car in that it has a stereo, Nav system, leather everything, airbags, great headlights etc etc. The only clue that you are driving a supercar is the sound of the engine, which whoops like an F1 at high revs and the clutch is a little "sensitive". It's on or off. Very little graduation. It takes some practice to start moving in first without overrevving. The steering is very direct and the acceleration in first and second to redline is staggering.

    I'll post a detailed driving impression as I get more seat time.
     
  15. mayer

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    #15 mayer, Sep 10, 2004
    Congratulations!!! Is the car going to be a keeper, or will you trade it for the "next great thing" whenever it comes out from *insert company*?

    As an owner, have you ever heard of the car being painted in any other color than the shades they have? I'm surprised they don't offer it in blue.
     
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    #16 pdiack, Sep 10, 2004
    Congratulations!! Pics of the F40 and CGT would be much appreciated!
     
  17. 410SA

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    #17 410SA, Sep 10, 2004
    Here's my review of the clutch. It's an on-off clutch, in that it has very little travel before it engages, but it really functions very well in urban driving at slow speeds. Once you get used to the point where it engages and have a small amount of throttle dialed in, around 1,500 RPM, it starts moving quite smoothly. I've experienced racing clutches that are significantly more work because they require a huge amount of force to depress the pedal. That's not fun and you really wind up with sore shins and ankles after an hour of that kind of driving. The CGT is nothing like that at all.
     
  18. damcgee

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    #18 damcgee, Sep 10, 2004
    I agree it would look great in one of those gorgeous Porsche blues (lapis, cobalt, et al). I have only seen them in red, silver, and black.
     
  19. SupercarFreak

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    #19 SupercarFreak, Sep 12, 2004
    holy !@##%%!!!!!

    congrats alex, wow. just wow. how much did you get her for if you don't mind me asking? I went to this dealer in NC where I was told the CGT there was already sold, only to see it listed on their website about a week later for very close to msrp, it was between 440 and 480k
     
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    #20 134282, Sep 12, 2004
    Um. Holy ****. Very cool...

    Congratulations, Alex... i eagerly await your detailed driving impressions...
     
  21. SupercarFreak

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    #21 SupercarFreak, Sep 12, 2004
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    #22 ben, lj, Sep 15, 2004
    "All you do is release the pedal. Don't give it any gas, and away you go. This was explained at the outset, and yet still people carry on about the clutch! "

    BS. I take it you haven't driven one. I tried this technique nearly a dozen times with success ONCE and stalling every other time. The only method that worked was feathering the throttle.
     
  23. 410SA

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    #23 410SA, Sep 15, 2004
    Like any manual car, if you release the clutch without any throttle, the car will stall. The CGT requires enough throttle to get the car moving. The difficulty lies not in the "on-off" nature of the clutch, rather in the very responsive throttle which revs to redline with little effort. The first reactiion is to overrev as you prepare to move, then you get off the throttle too abruptly as you come off the clutch, causing a stall.
     
  24. Testacojones

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    #24 Testacojones, Sep 29, 2004
    A week after the Winter Park/Orlando Porsche dealer took delivery of thier first CGT I saw how one of the guys that details cars at the dealer moved the car about inside the showroom then out and around the lot and then back into the showroom and all he said was "SWEET, the clutch feels so good much better than the GT3". It was his first time driving the car and he didn't stalled it once. The car was delivered to the dealer and the truck driver had special instructions on how to push or better yet move the car around, they were to move the CGT by rotating the wheels with their hands, no pushing on the bodywork and no one was to start or drive the car until the owner was there. This truck drivers first delivery was Jerry S. CGT. the frist CGT owner to take delivery in the States I believe. I think Jay Leno was also a CGT owner wating for delivery as well as Nic. Cage if I remember right.
     
  25. Rev.ATARI

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    #25 Rev.ATARI, Sep 29, 2004
    As I understand it the problem is not with the clutch, its sue to the engines rotational parts being made of titanium. Therefore because of how light the engine internals are the engine rev’s very very fast, making it hard for people to get a good feel for lanching…
     
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