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  1. DanNE

    DanNE Formula Junior

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    #1 DanNE, Oct 25, 2013
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    Are the following two hydraulic fluids interchangeable? The typical one used ZH-M is on the right side, whereas another mineral based option is on the right.

    Looks to me like both should work with the advantage of the right-side one being that it may work in colder weather or wider-ranging temperatures?

    Any thoughts?
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  2. netman

    netman Formula 3

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    Not sure but I can tell you that the top mech is made by Mercedes Benz and as such their power steering fluid works just fine.
     
  3. Mozella

    Mozella Formula Junior

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    " .............. with the advantage of the right-side one being that it may work in colder weather or wider-ranging temperatures?"

    Not if the pour point is 54C and the one on the left is -60. You gotta' hope that's a typo.
     
  4. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    That is a typo. Should be -54 C. If it was 54 C, it would be a grease.
     
  5. Mozella

    Mozella Formula Junior

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    I was thinking more like a wheel chock.
     
  6. DanNE

    DanNE Formula Junior

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    Yes you guys beat me to it :) The 54 C is a typo -- the reason I mention that fluid is because I have it in the power steering of my daily driver (Audi) and back when I had to buy it I did some research into the properties of this type of hydraulic fluid/etc.

    The ZH-M on the left is basically the Mercedes fluid.

    Yesterday and the day before I cycled the top on/off twice with outside temperature in the 40-degree range and it seemed slower than usual hence the question whether the other fluid may help. Of course top down in cold weather doesn't make that much sense...
     
  7. DanNE

    DanNE Formula Junior

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    Here's an excerpt from another forum in case anybody looks/searches for this in the future. Turns out the two fluids are somewhat equivalent with the 06162 being a LHM fluid and the 02615 being the ZHM which is typically recommended. Based on the writing below they can probably be used interchangeably but ZHM is higher quality/newer.

    Please note Pentosin CHF-11S is the same as 06162 and LHM.

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    Your XK8 and XKR convertible hydraulic cylinders and pumps are very similar to those of most European convertibles made in that period. It appears that Pentosin CHF-11S is approved for Jaguars, which is an "LHM" fluid. I know that it is used as a compatible fluid to the following, as well:
    BMW 83 29 0 429 576
    Porsche 000.043.203.33
    Bentley RH5000
    VW/Audi G 002 000 A2

    Mercedes approves a fairly inexpensive fluid that is clear in color, and that I would recommend without reservations: FeBi 02615. You can get it online for some $11/quart. Try autohausaz, for example, and enter "02615" in their search box. I don't see any reason not to use it on Jaguar systems; it is approved as top hydraulic fluid in MB convertibles from '90 to present. As a matter of fact, I recommend the same fluid to owners of BMW, Audi, VW, Bentley, Porsche, and others. The late 90's Jaguar convertible hydraulic system is quite similar to that of the Mercedes CLK series. Mercedes' own fluid is p/n 0009899103, and it has a green dye in it. In Australia and Asia, it is distributed under the brand name Meyle with the same part number, I believe. Mercedes also uses fluids with a red dye in it, but I'd like to keep this response fairly simple.

    The Mercedes convertible top fluid is actually a "ZHM" fluid, as opposed to an "LHM". ZHM is more highly refined, and it is required for more recent model years.

    I have heard that a long time ago, Mercedes actually took a Citroen fluid off their list of approved fluids because they found that the dye in the Citroen fluid affected the seals. That is hearsay as far as I'm concerned for now, and Citroen fluid may well be okay for MB systems again. Fact is, almost all car manufacturers use the same suppliers for their convertible top cylinders...

    As far as brake system or self leveling suspension fluid is concerned, there is certainly some overlap. DO NOT USE REGULAR BRAKE FLUID IN YOUR TOP SYSTEM, EVER! I personally don't know if DOT5 fluid is okay for your hydraulic top system, and it may very well be. However, there is a better alternative with ZHM.

    The important attributes for the hydraulic fluid in most top systems are the following: fairly even viscosity (thickness) over a wide temperature range, no additives that would harm your system (especially pump and valve seals in this case), and no emulsifiers that would suspend water in the fluid (you want any water to sink to the bottom of the reservoir).

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  8. fmaderi

    fmaderi Formula Junior

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    use the ZH M !!!
     

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