ferrari transmision info Please

Hi

It really depends on the extent of the damage to the transmission, and what currency you are talking about USD/CAN/AUD/PESO'S?. if you gave us a little more info we could help you out much better.

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Richard
Dallenauto

 

you should be able to source a good used g/box for around $3500 US from ferr parts,GT parts AZ,rutlands i got one from a fellow chatter $2900 had it ship to me in aust ............goodluck

 

Depends on what is included. While it is out is the clutch being done? How about an engine service? Hoses? CV joint boots? Just R+R, seperate the 2, disassemble and reassemble, a set of syncros, bearings and ring nuts will eat up most of that and I cannot ever remember a 308 much less one 30 or so years old when we removed the power unit for a trans repair when we didn't do other work at the same time. Your post just does not give enough information to give you an informed answer.

Fitting a 328 trans will at least require installing a 328 bell housing and transfer gears. It might require more than that depending on what year your 308 is.

 

Did you get a jar of Vaseline with that quote, because it sounds like me you are getting it up your a...

Apologies for being abrasive, yet it usually helps to wake people up and get their attention, plus it is simply the way i am.

Hopefully he is replacing virtually every single part in your tranny for brand new bits at that price. Did you try simply having the shifter bushings replaced (both of them) and shifter realigned? That is a mere couple hundred bucks and the 308 that was here needed that due to shifting problems at the race track. Who is the mechanic/shop who diagnosed and doing the work for you for $9000. It is ok to name names here, we are all friends.

 

For what is basically a syncro replacement not including R+R that is very high. Including cleaning it is 2 days (16 hours) work tops plus parts. The 308 is a very simple gearbox.

These days one of the things you will run into in almost any dealer is that they are all too young to have had any experience with 308/328 transmissions. It will be earn while you learn from start to finish. Not a very good idea.

Those of us with a lot of experience with those transmissions are in our 50's and 60's and do not work in dealers anymore.

Find a good independant with gray haired mechanics.

 

Bite your tounge you old cuss...

 

Hey...I don't have that many gray hairs!

 

I had my trans rebuilt by an independent shop several years ago. Replaced all bearings, bushings, in trans and diff, sycros, 4/5 gear cluster plus more that I can not remember just now. They picked up and delivered the trans to my house. Labor was $2000. I supplied all the parts. Total cost $4500 .

 

pad, you haven't priced tranny parts lately, they've gone thru the ceiling, especially gears, many of which are NLA. I rebuilt a 308 tranny last spring/summer. When we went shopping we came up with about $6k just for the parts.
We got lucky & bought a used tranny that had been rebuilt several years ago but when installed had a 4th gear whine so was pulled & never used. Luckily I found that the the whine was due to a chipped 4th gear & the 4th& 5th gear pairs from the original tranny were in mint condition.

I 2nd Rifledriver, on finding a mechanic who already knows the 308/328 trannys. This was my 1st 308 tranny rebuild & It probably took me the equivalent of 5 or 6 days bench time, possibly more to do the job. I'm confident I could do the project again in 2-3 days bench time.

BTW, how many miles do you have on the car? It's very unusual for the 4th & 5th gear synchros & gears to show wear, even on high mileage cars.

Another data point, IIRC TRutlands gets $8k - $10k for rebuilt trannys with you suppling a rebuildable core.

A used tranny is always a gamble, but at worst you'll have additional parts.

BE SURE YOU ALWAYS REPLACE GEARS IN MATCHED PAIRS, THERE WERE 2 DIFFERENT MACHINING VARIENTS OF THE GEARS: SHAVED & GROUND, WITH DIFFERENT PART#S. MATING VARIENTS FOR THE SAME GEAR WILL GIVE YOU A PERMANENT TRANNY WHINE. The various machining varients are listed in a large table in Service Bulletin SB30-3 dated 4/20/83. The table is considered as an update of the spare parts catalogs.

 

Verell, wow prices for parts have gone up!

Ago, for what seems so far to just be a shifting problem it is hard for me to fathom it being over $300 UNLESS you KNOW there is more to the story than just a shifter alignment problem, which btw is common with the 308 due to age. Doing the new bushings will solve it for a good long time (Verell has excellent bushings for that BTW). Also agree, gears are a SET, yet somehow i doubt you have gearing problems.

Please explain to us exactly why your mechanic feels you need a complete rebuild. Diagnosis please.

 

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Hes right they have gone through the roof. Just a set of syncros is quite a bit of money.

 

Before I would pay anyone $9000 in todays economy for a tranny overhaul on a car thats barely worth $20K, I would spend the money on tools, or pay a bit more and buy a whole running car off eBay. Learn how to work on the car yourself, you have little to lose and so much to gain.

This is not to say one way or other that the shop is overcharging, but most of what your going to pay these days is in labor. There was just a gearbox on eBay that I believe sold for $1200? They pop up about every month or so, they are around if you are patient and do some looking.

But I would carefully consider what has been posted above by Verell, Brian etc., that the engine motor mounts (can sag and bind shift linkage), clutch (wear can cause drag making it dificult to select gears) and the shift linkage itself (both external and internal), are carefully examined for wear or adjustment before condemning the gearbox. While the 308 gearbox is very strong and it is highly unlikely the gearbox would wear in such a way as to effect all forward gears simultaneously, the shift linkage is very easy to misalign and can create all myriad of shifting problems. At the very least you would be wise to search out another opinion.

 

It is hard to get a second opinion on a gearbox that is already out of the car without some disassembly, and once your mechanic is that far you'd be crazy not to change at least the second gear synchro. And then you're already headed down that slope, all lubed up with 90wt.

As I recall synchros from Ferrari are about $400 a pop? **EDIT: No they are $500 for 1-3 and $700 for 4 and 5. That's $3000 just for new synchros. Gears are about $1500 each.***

Is the $9k quote a final answer or is it a worst case senario? Perhaps if they didn't get to test drive it they are assuming it needs all new synchros, all new gears a bunch of bearings and a ring and pinion. If they didn't get to test drive it they would assume the worst - they'd have to just to cover their butts. You'd be pissed if they estimated $2k and it was $9k, but wouldn't you be a little giddy now if it was only $4k instead of $9k?

 

That is how I do it on many jobs and I can assure you I let that be known in advance but in my experience 99 times out of 100 when a shop, particularly a dealer gives an estimate it will get billed out at that or more. On a trans overhaul though the scenario you suggest is next to impossible. Worst case is more that the car is worth. No one in their right mind will sign on the dotted line for that. The correct estimate is "We will take it apart, inspect it and estimate it for X".

 

Holy crap you can r/r a 308 engine tranny/syncros in 16 hours? Not so surprising considering you have probably done 100+ now, but for mortals such as myself that is unfathomable.

 

No

I was referring to the job of the trans rebuild itself. As it turns out that is all he is doing. The R+R and seperation of the units is being done by a 3rd party.

You're right, it is unfathomable.

 

Well, I guess I'm lucky.

BTW: Hi Brian! Nice to see you back here... Hope you enjoyed the Silver Rose

I removed my own engine and separated the gearbox from the engine. I planned to replace what I initially thought it was just a single synchro gear. Once I got into taking the gearbox apart though, I ran into too many questions regarding exactly how to re-assemble it and also how to make sure that the parts were all in spec. So...... I took the gearbox to Eric at Auto Gallery and asked him to replace the synchros for me.

Then I got the call....

The gears were all too worn to be put back together and have the gearbox function properly. All the gears needed to be replaced. Doing just the syncros would not be sufficient.

As others here have suggested; I got another gearbox from GT Car Parts in Az. Eric used all of the insides of that good gearbox, (including the synchros, as luck would have it! ) and put them into my box, to avoid the problem of having a gearbox that might not exactly mate to my block, and therefore have a tendancy to leak fluid.

Additionally, Eric replaced all of the differential seals and also drilled the blind hole, to make 2nd gear easier to shift into when it's cold.

Total cost was $4,500.

And the gearbox is still sitting in my garage waiting to be mated back to the engine. So, unless you plan on doing a LOT of the work yourself, expect to pay.

In retrospect, $9000 for a complete rebuild might not be so bad.

[post hoc edit: I see now, that it's just a rebuild and not a R&R? Wow.. that does seem high. $9K w/R&R might be in the ballpark. But I'd still be hard pressed to pay that much.. ]

Also, read post #51 in this thread: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=112150&highlight=10314&page=3

This is my syncrho fix thread. The cautionary is very important. Many Ferrari owners don't know this, and I see them abuse their cars almost every time I go to one of the Sunday car shows. So beware! It's very easy to blow-through the $9,000 you're about to spend, and then have to do it all over again before you know it!

Just my tew sense...

 

Those parts prices are awfully high.

I have rebuilt quite a few 308 gear boxes and a few pretty trashed high mileage ones, even rusted out ones and have never ever found a shift fork in need of replacement. Alfa gear boxes, Daytona gearboxes, 275 gearboxes yes, but a 308.......Never.

 

It was great thanks!

Next time you cruise through Nor Cal come by. I have a couple of cases of some really good single vinyard stuff from Ferrari Carano. Better hurry before I drink it all.