Ferrari vs Anything

You made me lol.

 

What if Ditka is driving the bus???

DA BEARSSSS!!!!

 

Hi Bart,

Have another cocktail; I'll join you.

Cheers,
Sparky

 

I'm in. I pick the race and course.

your 550....vs.....my Mini Cooper

Pink Slips?

 

I think Bart's gone to bed.

He definitely needs some rest!!

Sparky

 

HAHAHA!

 

Nite nite Bart.
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Glad someone got my SNL skit reference.

 

Yeah really. Have one more for me.

 

When I saw that for the first time, I never wanted to eat a hamburger again. The Hoff made hamburgers looks disgusting. Actually I think I want to throw up right now.

 

I find the original comment inflamatory. It reminds me of when I was talking to a woman about motorcycling and she asked what I rode. When I said BMW she said if its not a Harley it's not a motorcycle. I didn't beat her senseless because I'm so attached to my motorcycle more that this type of insular thinking does no good to anyone. That and I deemed her to be an inbred, ignorant piece of doo doo. I didn't actually strike the woman, but I had fantasies about doing it. Maybe I should take offense because my Ferrari only has 8 cyl. Yep, I've talked myself into it, I'm offended

 

Party of 1, perhaps?

 

It all depends on the course--
Scatter 8 inch cinder blocks across the dirt course and the Ferrari will likely stop in its tracks or get hung up.
The Dodge Ram 4x4 will ride on through.

 

Good thing you qualified this with CAR.

According to the NY times, your car is kind of slow

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/14/automobiles/autospecial2/14BIKES.html?_r=1&scp=3&sq=motorcycle&st=cse

ULTRA high-powered sports cars — supercars — are considered by many to be the highest expressions of vehicular performance. Schoolboys, young and otherwise, dream of Ferrari Enzos, Porsche Carrera GTs, Lamborghini Gallardos, Ford GTs and Corvette ZR1s.

TORTOISE VS. HARE? The Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 and the Bugatti Veyron Super Sport are some of the faster production cars, but many sportbikes are quicker, even though the ‘Vette and Veyron have higher top speeds.

And in the case of the $2.12 million Veyron, a sportbike is a fraction of the cost.

The implication, given the cars’ prices of $100,000 to over $2 million, is that they are the quickest, most responsive, fastest-cornering street machines ever.

It just doesn’t happen to be true. All those cars can be humbled, in nearly any measure of real-world performance, by a dozen or so street-legal, completely stock, easily available motorcycles.
Even the $2.12 million Bugatti Veyron Super Sport, a 264-mile-an-hour, by-Germany-out-of-France spaceship with over 1,000 horsepower, is slower in the quarter mile and all-out cornering than most superbikes.

Some supercars do have a higher top speed because of their high horsepower and fundamentally better aerodynamics. Since going over 200 miles per hour on a motorcycle tends to be stressful, if not risky, many sportbikes are electronically limited to 186 m.p.h. But when it comes to sheer acceleration, forward or sideways, the cars wind up sucking rubber dust.

An off-the-shelf Suzuki GSX-R1000 — list price $12,899 — will do the job easily. It’s a smooth, well-mannered, beautifully engineered scooter.

On the four-wheel side, the 2011 Chevy Corvette ZR1 is a 638-horsepower, supercharged, carbon-fiber-clad jabberwocky designed to be close to a Le Mans racecar while still remaining tolerably comfortable and reliable. All for about $110,000.

The ZR1 will accelerate from zero to 60 miles an hour in about 3.3 seconds, do the quarter mile in about 11.5 seconds and has cornered as fast as 1.10 lateral g.

That Suzuki GSX-R1000? Zero to 60 in about 2.6 seconds, according to Motorcycle-usa.com. The quarter mile? Nine-point-nine seconds. It even has superior cornering speed: it can pull about 1.15 sideways g’s.

Is riding a motorcycle hard to do? Yes, it takes training, fitness and talent. The amazing thing is that in daily driving, at reasonable speeds and circumspect throttle settings, these bikes are typically safe, smooth, quiet (with the factory exhaust) and easy to ride. It’s up to you. Keep the revs and your hormones in check, and you’re fine.

Is the bike safe? Yes, if you have the right gear, mindset, training and save the big-throttle stuff for track days, which allow riders to push the limits legally.

Motorcycle accident studies conducted over the last 30 years have not shown a connection between the speed and power of a motorcycle and its real-world safety performance. If you know what you’re doing, it really doesn’t matter what you’re doing it on, or so say the statistics.

These superbikes are built by Honda (CBR1000RR), Kawasaki (ZX-10R, ZX-14), Suzuki (GSX-R1000, GSX1300 Hayabusa), Yamaha (YZF-R1), Ducati (1198, 1198R, 1198S), Aprilia (RSV4), KTM (1190 RC8) and BMW Motorrad (the new S 1000 RR).

Where other 1,000 cc sportbikes, like the GSX-R1000, typically make about 160 horsepower, the BMW makes about 180, according to Cycle World magazine.

To keep this extra power under control, BMW gave the S 1000 RR a street version of the electronic traction control systems that keep MotoGP race bikes from spitting their riders into low-earth orbit. Riding a 330-pound Grand Prix machine used to be an exercise in throttle control. Too little, and you lose. Too much, and you’ll fall.

These systems widen the margin of error, allowing more throttle sooner, modulating power as the rear wheel tries to spin and slide sideways exiting a corner.

The California Superbike School, where you can learn how to harness a modern sportbike on a racetrack, has decided to use a fleet of the BMW S 1000 RRs for just this reason — more riding, more learning and less crashing.

Mr. Supercar, you can bask in the glow of an expensive, exotic machine, and make sure the valet parks it right up front.

Just don’t race for pink slips with that guy next to you at the light, the one with the GSX-R, the baggy jeans and the Mohawk-festooned helmet. You may own a million-dollar wonder car. But when it comes to real-world performance, he owns you.

 

I like Bart but I sure do enjoy a nice walk!

 

Back in my younger and much stupider days (late 90s-early 00s) we used to do a good bit of street racing. A friend of mine had a 91 Mustang coupe, 408" small block, AFR heads, and a D1 Procharger, made about 1200hp.

Well the Hayabusa's came out and we sure did love those things because every person riding one thought he could out run any car, we made much dough off of them, and I'm talking several hundred dollars on a Saturday night, sometimes 1000$+ good times.

I no longer condone this as like I said much stupider...

The thing is their are ways to have higher performance much cheaper.

Also in almost every tier of motor sports cars are quicker and faster than bikes. F1 cars are turning faster lap times on the same tracks as Moto GP bikes, Top Fuel car owns Top Fuel bikes ect.... The bikes downside has always been the lack of traction, the contact patches are just too small.

 

..and too high center of gravity. Superbikes are not quicker than supercars around corners.

 

The high C of G is not an issue when it comes to lateral G. (bikes lean to corner, and the COG is irrelevant) Bikes do have a disadvantage in quick switch backs, as you have to "pick it up" to turn the other way.

With the newer sticky DOT tires, bikes can corner at over 1 G.


From the big quote.

The ZR1 will accelerate from zero to 60 miles an hour in about 3.3 seconds, do the quarter mile in about 11.5 seconds and has cornered as fast as 1.10 lateral g.

That Suzuki GSX-R1000? Zero to 60 in about 2.6 seconds, according to Motorcycle-usa.com. The quarter mile? Nine-point-nine seconds. It even has superior cornering speed: it can pull about 1.15 sideways g’s.

 

Fred is right on the money.

The ZR1 is special for a Corvette, which means different things to different people. It's performance is not worth it's price tag from a sheer dollar vs dollar perspective, so it loses that comparison.

It's also heavy for a Corvette and it's brakes kinda ho-hum in >60ft contests despite our advances in tech, metallurgy, and ceramics. Considering it's treads, it's really not that impressive.

As a package, it's a nice one, no doubt. But when you drill down into it from a racing quarter mile or track perspective, there's far better machinery out there on 2 and 4 wheels with far greater potential for modification. GM's most powerful Corvette occupies it's niche in the production car world that isn't ready or proven in the tough battles of the racing world, regardless of budget. Yet.

 

Hi Fred, perhaps I have been living in the alps too long. Real roads change direction, a lot

1.15 G for 21st century machinery is not high. The 1.1 G you quoted for the ZR1 seems very low.

 

A quick little 5th Gear video showing a Ducati beating a Lambo on a race course

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeP0_aLvc0I

 

the gallardo is a useless trackday toy. and that bike is a lot higher up in the bike world than than the gallardo is on the car world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Man0X0bf8vk

I raise you a gtr vs 1098s

 

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