Ferrari Vs. Porsche or other sports cars

I like and appreciate all the top marques. Different models have different strongpoints and most of this is subjective. However, ferraris do have the best sound, porsche the reliability, and lambos wild looks. The best all-around everyday drivers car was/is the later 928's. Mine has the best driving environment i've seen and i have sat in most including the murcie and gallardo.
Ferrari has great history along with porsche and nowadays has more variety in their sportscars because of one reason - FIATS deep pockets. Only porsche still stands on its own unlike ford/aston , chrysler/audi/lambo, and ferrari. And when the carrera GT starts appearing on US roads performance and wild looks along with reliability will be wearing the porsche badge. But lets enjoy them all.
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james...good comment on the 917k and 30.

you know it is the only real car missing in your stable...dont you?

the 3 greatest cars of all time:

917
p3/4
gt-40

PERIOD!!!!

happy holliday jim.

pcb

 

Happy Holiday to you as well!
(You're right about the 917)
Check out: "A French Kiss With Death" (The making of the movie LeMans) It's a great book on the 917, McQueen, and obsession.

 

Isn't it true that the old long tail cars, made so much downforce, and created such a tremendous vaccum behind them, that they'd literally sucu other cars off the pavement?

 

I have owned 3 Ferraris and still currently have 2 an "86 TR and an "01 360 Spider. Both have proven very reliable, at this point I would call the TR bullet proof. None of the 3 cars were troublesome by any means. I also have a 427 Cobra (real CSX car) with a 625 horse 427. While it's performance is in a word "crazy" I mostly opt to drive the Spider first, TR second, and Cobra third. So much talk about performance and 0-60 times, the Ferraris are just plain fun to drive. The 360 has it all, the sound, the looks, tracks like it's on rails and yet keeps you involved. Ferraris have personality, they are unique. How many Corvettes, and Porshes do you see in a day, they are like rings and watches everyone has one. The new GT-40, wow a Mustanng engine with a blower, now that is a real engineering feat, HA HA! But look at the 360 215 cubic inches, naturally aspirated and it pumps out just shy of 400 usable horsepower. And when it comes to styling I guess Porshe and Ford consider 40 year old designs cutting edge? The new Porshes are pretty but they look like updated 911's to me, the GT-40 no comment necessary.
Ferrari sets the standards that all the others try to meet, this has been the case for the last 40 years. Read the mags, every new car is described as a competetor to the 360, why don't they compare the GT-40 to the Enzo. The Gt is Fords flagship isn't it? Remember the 360 is the "entry level" Ferrari. Sorry to go off like this but I don't think I can bear to read one more article on how wonderful the GT-40 is, a 40 year old design, rushed out in less than 2 years with a Mustang engine and a huffer.

 

Tr's bullet proof?
The timing belt in mine snapped at 6K, a wheel came off at speed, the chassis cracked, the dash warped , the ac died sereral times, I could go on.
BTW real 427 Cobra's don't have 625hp.

 

Humor me, what does BTW mean? My CSX has a 625 hp 427, not too hard to do with a roller cam. The point is fast does not automatically = fun, the Cobra can wear you out in an hour, I can drive the 360 all day. My first drive in the TR was 1,100 miles in two days and was a pleasure. You have a point though no matter how reliable the manufacturer may be they all have service depatments full of cars requiring repair. I once owned a Toyota that I was afraid to drive out of town, but had several that I literally drove and abused for thousands of miles without a hickup.

 

BTW= By The Way.
I'm sure your "CSX" has 625HP.
The one's I was referring to ended at CSX 3360 and they didn't but even the 289's had enough to beat Ferrari in 65.

 

Of course i get lucky! Ask your wife!

 

Reliability is an interesting concept. You ask how long will a clutch last. Bring me a 911 and I could burn through that clutch in a day. I have owned two and went through the clutches in both. Does it mean they are flimsy - no. I just drove them very hard. I would say that if you drive any car hard, you will need to maintain it and fix it. You could buy a 360 - baby it - and never go through the clutch. In general a Porsche is probably more reliable than a Ferrari. It should be with 40,000+ built every year vs. 4,200.

 

Wow, the new ****** on the board is even more annoying than Allan!

Who'da thunk it?

 

Hugh
You'd love this book as well. It goes into all of that and how without the moveable aero devices they were undrivable, so the FIA looked away.

 

Their you go!Talking out your a$$ again!

 

LOL! There you go with dick on the brain!

So funny how you can claim to be so knowledgeable, yet post a 0-100mph time of 11 seconds as being untouchable by an Enzo. Well lets see Moron, the Enzo runs 0-100 in the mid 6 second range, Lambos run in the 8 second range.

Id rather push a Pinto than drive a Mondial.

 

I don't know Allen..pushing a pinto can get rather tireing I would think. I think I would drive the Mondial...but then again I'm a lazy S.O.B!!

 

Well sorry, but Allan is quite right. 11 seconds to 100mph is actually quite slow, so what you said was pretty dumb, don't you think? I've discovered that if you're going to say anything on this forum, it pays to get your facts right.

 

Original Cobra's are fine cars. JohnBob may correct me if I'm wrong but his isn't one.
Only a real idiot would modify an original Cobra.
I'm quite familiar with 427's. There's a nice original one in my MK-IV.
On a June day 36 years ago it did fine.
None of this changes the fact that anyone who claims that "Lambo's suck" is an idiot as well.

 

I could be wrong but I think Johnbob has a "csx" I think they are new cobras built with original parts by carrol shelby. Not the old 65's ect.
And stock cobras are fast but they wont beet a Enzo or carrara GT.


http://www.sandersonsales.com/

 

My Cobra is a CSX manufactured by Shelby American in Las Vegas. It is an Aluminum Body car, chassis and frame manufactured in Poland (please refrain from the digs as the quality of the components and labor is very good). The rest of the componenets are licensed by Shelby American with final assembly taking place in Vegas. The engine is one of the new all aluminum 427 produced by Shelby Enterprises in Ca. I had mine machined and assembled by "Gilliam and Bray" (Gilliam and Bray are independants who have competed in NHRA since the 60's have a wall full of the man with the tire trophys). I admire these guys since they compete with no sponsorship and have been National Champs in thier class numerours times. Back to the Cobra. I have wanted an original since the 60"s, they have always been out of reach for me, however as a result of my passion for these cars I have managed to be around them for the past 25 years. A fellow (Connie Moore) that lives very close by allowed me to spend a bunch of time around his comp car during it's restoration, and another resto shop close by also allowed me to document the restorations of several. I have hundreds of photos of these cars. Well back to the CSX car, I was not impressed by the glass copies but the aluminum cars produced by Shelby are so close to the originals it is amazing. Almost every componenet is an exact knock-off of the originals, in fact there is not a component that does not interchange. A few of the parts have been modified to remedy some of the problems associated with the originals, but short of that these cars are virtually identical. I could have paid $300K for an SC car but I opted to keep my two Ferraris and get one of the aluminum CSX cars. I am in it for about a third and have no regrets. The car drives just like an original except that being lighter and more powerful it is "crazier".
Not trying to mislead or be rude, like the rest of you I am somewhat passionate about cars. The MSO and the dashboard are signed by Carrol and that is authenitic enough for me.

 

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