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Ferrari Will Turbocharge Its V12, Factory Sources Say...???

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  1. italiafan

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    Complete opposite? So that means rear-mid engined. Flowing and pure means similar looking to 296 GTB (much like the Boxer was a bigger more mature looking 308). ;) :)
     
  2. day355

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    No :).
     
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  3. italiafan

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    Ooooooo....intriguing! So you’re saying it has curves like the 296 then...
    :D
     
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  4. day355

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    So so so much better !
     
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  5. italiafan

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    I love you man. :p
     
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  6. day355

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    :D
     
  7. red passion

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    I thought that was more or less clear.
     
  8. jumpinjohn

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    I guess that means one more Ferrari for me!


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  9. REALZEUS

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    That's a pity.
     
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  10. Forza Scuderia

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    Sounds like it’s going to be a bigger, more muscular Roma.
     
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  11. inox

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    The interesting points regarding possible future Ferrari V12 turbo engine are:

    1) How many turbos there will be? 3 cylinders per turbo (4 turbos) is the optimal solution performance wise, followed by 4 cylinders per turbo, but the latter does not fit to V12. 6 cylinders per turbo (2 turbos) would be better for packaging but not as efficient.

    2) What would be displacement? Optimal cylinder size is 0.5 liters, so optimal engine size would be 6 liters. It could also share components with the current 3-litre V6. But is that too big engine for a turbo charged engine trying to reduce emissions? How small they could make the V12? I suppose it would have to be bigger than 4-litre V8 to make any sense in the portfolio. Then again, I assume Ferrari V8 will die soon anyway. Perhaps 5-litre V12 turbo then?

    3) Is this engine going to be equipped with the system described in recent Ferrari patent application where twin spark plugs are combined with pre-ignition chamber technology?
     
  12. maha

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    what about the new icona? does it look that good?
     
  13. REALZEUS

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    Not really. It just fits into the production planning of many manufacturers (with 3 cylinder you have a 1.5 litre engine, with 4 a 2.0l and with 6 a 3 litre, with the same basic design), that's why it has been propagated by many manufacturers, mostly German. There isn't an optimal capacity, per se.
     
  14. inox

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    Well, I don't know the details of the german study, but surely 0.5 liters is just about right and not only because what you mentioned:

    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a15358174/why-0-5-liter-cylinders-will-soon-dominate-automotive-engine-design/

    This is intentionally quite far fetched, but BMW who has been most committed to this 0.5 cylinder size is now the most sustainable automotive company. But definitely they have made some right analyses and decisions to get where they are now.

    Ferrari too has moved to favour 0.5 litre cylinder size. Only their V12 has overgrown from 0.5 litre in search of a competitive power.
     
  15. aobao1993

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  16. inox

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    After studying turbo charging a bit more, I think two twin-scroll turbos would be a sensible option for V12.

    Notice that Ferrari's latest V8 engines have twin-scroll turbos in place while the new V6 is using mono-scroll turbos. It does not make sense to use twin-scroll turbo for a 3-cylinder bank or any other uneven cylider count.
     
  17. ohno

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    #42 ohno, Oct 28, 2021
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    To me, the Sp 80 is a pure masterpiece in modern automotive art, just like Victor in another approach.“
    (Source: 2nd Icona/Thread: 2020 F40 Icona ...Its Coming, Get Excited!!!!)

    in my eyes, in a good way !“
    (Source: 812 replacement/Thread: Ferrari Will Turbocharge Its V12, Factory Sources Say...???)

    It is the complete opposite of the 812, so fluid and pure.“

    (Source: 812 replacement/Thread: Ferrari Will Turbocharge Its V12, Factory Sources Say...???)

    So so so much better !“
    (Source: 812 replacement/Thread: Ferrari Will Turbocharge Its V12, Factory Sources Say...???)

    Let's say they did the best they could with the concept, and there's kind of a more classic approach. it should appeal to those who are not opposed to the concept.“

    (Source: New FUV/Thread: SUV Lamborghini did it will Ferrari be the next one?)

    He did the best he could do given the specifications, and that s very good overall.“

    (Source: New FUV/Thread: SUV Lamborghini did it will Ferrari be the next one?)

    I'm totally surprised! Is this really the same person who always criticized F. Manzoni and the Ferrari Centro Stile? Well, if this person already sees the Ferrari Design so positively, we can certainly expect absolute masterpieces in the future... :D
     
  18. ohno

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    “From Saul to Paul“ (as Christians would say). The comments are now balanced and your subtle criticism is understandable.
    I like this new style!
     

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