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Ferrari's 2005 f1 Season

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  1. Tifosi Ferrari

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    As we all know Ferrari's 2005 season in f1 was the worst for them by far with Schumacher in that era. All because of FIA Meddling of rules that was done to force Schumacher and Ferrari to be out the championship from the start that year. It didn't help that the F2005 seemed to lose the dommination from the earlier Ferrari f1 cars and couldn't complete at all with the top runners that year. However car showed exteme powerful potential that year in Imola in that Schumacher was able to lap about 2 secs quickier a lap than the top 2 runners of that race Button and the 1st place Alonso even with the engine losing a cylinder making it a v9.

    Shumacher was able to get 2nd though couldn't defeat Alonso with I think a better car and maybe skills that race even with the favorable conditions that the race set up Schumacher for. I am asking was enough to defeat Kimi and his Mclaren that year which they couldn't race as Kimi managed to destroy the car at like near the start of the race if the car was able to perform at that level everywhere. If so could Ferrari have another 2002 and 2004 like dommination with the f2005 car if the conditions were like that in Imola on every circuit that year making it possible 8th title Schumacher even more easily since the car I presume would out pace everyone by over 1 sec on average a lap if Imola is used as a benchmark and applied to every circuit?
     
  2. jmillard308

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    Probably not :D
     
  3. Tifosi Ferrari

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    May I ask you why "probably not" of why he can't dominate like in those pervious years with the f2005 with that pace?
     
  4. nerofer

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    Because of the tyres, which you have forgotten in the equation. The Bridgestones were hopeless in most of the races that year; or not suited to the car.
     
  5. MalcQV

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    The year I started watching F1. I jinxed it and all because I bought a Mondial and a friend a Ferrari in F1 book for me at Christmas. I had genuinely had never watched a full F1 race from start to finish (and qualifying) until that first 2005 season race.
    I only watch F1 because Ferrari take part. I even recall before actually owning a Ferrari but having a baseball cap, being asked by people if I was a Schumacher fan. "No" I said "but I love Ferrari cars".

    Definitely jinxed it for Ferrari, perhaps I need to give-up F1.
     
  6. furoni

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    That year was "fixed" before it started. bernie wanted to end Ferrari domination because it was geting "boring", so he and teh fia decided to change the rules, so they could favour Renault....one of the most important rules was teh fact that tires had to last the whole race. Of course Ferrari had teh power to veto those ideas but They simply "bought" Ferrari...can't reveal much but basicly they robbed the bank to pay Ferrari so they would allow teh rule changes, and also Ferrari was forced to ditch the f2004 (i heard that at the time it still had 30% more of possible development ). Luca was convinced he could still win the championship, so he took the money and hoped for the best....the f2005 proved to bevery fast right in the first race, but somehow, only managed to be competitive again at Imola and of course Indy....So basicly Ferrari was payed to give Renault a chance to win...wich they did.
    If Ferrari could perform like they did at imolo, they would surely win teh title, as would Kimi and Mclaren if only his car was reliable and not a hand grenade that lost bits and pieces in most races....
     
  7. Tifosi Ferrari

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    The "conditions" I was referring to was the very fact i was refering to the Bridgestone tires. If it would work thoughout all races just like in Imola it did which proved the car was an outright beast. It would give Kim's Mclaren headache for him to beat (if it where able to last long enough that is to do that.)
     
  8. nerofer

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    Well, remember Niki Lauda's answer when someone asked him if he wasn't slightly disappointed, at the end of the 1984 season, to be crowned World Champion with only 5 victories against 7 for Prost, and an advantage of only half a point:
    "The rules that prevail say that the one who ends up with more points is World Champion; the number of victories do not enter in question. These are the rules that prevail; I fighted in accordance with these rules, which were the same for everyone and I won. Were the rules different, I would have adapted to different rules"

    Or, as we say in French: "If my aunt got some, well she would be my uncle" (meaning: it is useless to speculate about what could have been, otherwise everything could have been different)
    Rgds
     
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  9. Tifosi Ferrari

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    I fully understand what you said. This is just speculation is for just for fun. I am just refering to the fact that at Imola if the right conditions were meet the car would perform insane to the tune of the pervious domination Ferrari cars. Martin Bundle and I forget the other person's name, but they both said and they fully agreed on that the F2005 at that race showed dommination that they haven't seen for a long time which says it all really.
     
  10. Tifosi Ferrari

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    Very interesting you said that. It's stupid that Luca decided to take that offer cause of money in exchange just to make Ferrari fail. That is very unimaginable thing for him to do to put Ferrari to automatically fail to secure the both championships that year. Very poor thinking on Ferrari to do that.
     
  11. furoni

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    It was, but Ferrari was so much in front of everyone else (the f2004 was probably the best car in f.1 history) that he probably figured Ferrari could still retain some advantage over the rest, even with the tyre rule change.....unfortunatly he misjudge te full efect of those changes....just as he did with the current hybrid regulations...
     
  12. Tifosi Ferrari

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    His misjudging has cost him his job. You should never underestimate rule changes and not act upon it seriously.
     
  13. tifoso2728

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    It was Michelin + Alonso. And, Michelin pushed things so far that their tires were useless in Indianapolis. MAJOR worldwide embarrassment for Michelin. Anyway, I wouldn't read too much into from Ferrari's end of it other than that.

    Did I mention that the 2005 race was the only time I went to Indianapolis for F1? Argggghhhhhh . . . . . . !
     
  14. Bas

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    100 million was the figure I think.
     
  15. furoni

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    Thats the figure i also heard
     
  16. ago car nut

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    Regardless Schumacher and the Ferrari were very competitive together. The year he broke his leg would of been another WDC. Remember they changed the point system also. You can call me biased, but if Ferrari was dominating today instead of Mercedes today. I wouldn't mind a bit. But we need the screaming engines back.
     
  17. Tifosi Ferrari

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    I really think even with that figure Luca shouldn't of taken that deal after all what's that vs winning a championship? Plus why make it make it on purpose harder yourself to the point you can't defeat the new rules. I really don't get Luca's thought process over that
     
  18. Bas

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    Presumably he thought ahead of the sport, didn't want the sport to lose too many viewers. Something the current lot in F1 clearly aren't doing.

    They also didn't want to lose their Veto for something relatively minor. They didn't know of course that Michelin build a tyre that was unsafe, it was much lighter than Bridgestones tyre (and where is the best place to save weight? That's right...the tyres). If Ferrari was on Michelins they likely would have kept dominating, their car was quite simply another evolution of the F2004, a great platform to start with.

    Ferrari missed their chance to veto the silly engines we've got now. They've held on to it too long and now Todt wants to take it away. Eejits.
     
  19. TifosiUSA

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    if they didnt come up with the ridiculous tire regs MSC would have walked to the 2005 title
     
  20. Tifosi Ferrari

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    Fully agreed. Imola proved that the F2005 was fully capable of defeating the Mclaren and Renault at full force with the tyres working prefectly. The commentary said that they haven't seen any kind of dommination for a long time which they didn't say that of Kimi and his Mclaren. I mean cmon the F2005 was faster than both Honda and Renualt (despite the v9 which I don't think would of reduced the gap between Michael and Alonso at that race just that it might of given Alonso maybe a 1 or 2 lap more buffer which isn't much considering Michael was lapping around 2 secs a lap faster than him). Apply that to petty much every circuit and Michael would probably cruise to his 8th title easily and another construtors in the bag for Ferrari. And I think the car would probably win even more races than the 13 from the f2004 when the car was that domiante there so I think realistically the car would break the races won record easily with Michael.
     
  21. Tifosi Ferrari

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    F1 already lose a lot of views thanks to Bernie's instance of moving f1 from free to watch on tv to pay to view tv. I really think that Ferrari needs to be more active to be more careful on how it does I rather have than more proactive rather than reactive to changes. Thanks to the mess of poltics F1 is now in an ugly mess that nobody seems willing to change that.
     
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    Indy in 2005 has left a sour taste in my mouth that still remains to this day. Even with the free tickets for 2006 I did not want to go. I did make it to the first year of the MotoGP race at Indy but even then I really did not care for the trip even though it was all expenses paid including a very nice 2 room suite for the weekend.

    Needless to say I will never own a Michelin tire ever again as well.
     
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  23. tifoso2728

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    I have not been back since as well. And I just took the refund from Michelin and ran.
     
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    The farce in 2005 was clearly due to fear of liability in the United States. As I recall Toyota was running less than recommended tire pressures and that was the cause of the failures; Ferrari on Bridgestone tires wouldn't agree to a temporary chicane so we were left with this charade of a race. A big FU by everyone in F1 to the fans, an absolute disgrace. It still pisses me off.
     
  25. furoni

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    I liked it, 2 Ferraris in the top step and a third for a Portuguese...what's not to like :)
     

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