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  1. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    Fiskens have gone with the Ecurie Ecosse Jaguar collection as their highlights but are offering

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    Kidston and Lukas Huni and Axel Schuette and all the others haven't launched their stands yet although I have seen pictures of a stand which could be Huni's '24 stand replete with the recreated Bugatti Atlantic #57-473

    Bonhams are offering
    1988 412i #76986 - est 70-90k
    1996 F512M #102984 - est 250-280k
    2006 575M Superamerica #146040 - est 330-400k
    2004 Enzo #136072 - est 3.5-4.5mm
    2001 550 Barchetta #124211 - est. 350-450k

    Artcurial are offering
    1996 355GTS #105734 - est 90-140k
    1995 348 Spider #99580 - est 80-120k
    1994 456GTS #98469 - est 80-120k
    1985 400i #55521 - est 60-80k
    1965 275GTB #07579 - est 2.2-2.7mm
    1962 250GT Cabriolet S2 #3783 - est 1.6-1.8mm
    1999 550 Maranello #117416 - est 60-80k
    2005 612 Scaglietti #139566 - est 60-80k
    1976 308GTB Vetroresina #18773 - est 110-140k
    1968 365GTC #11989 - est 450-650k
    1973 365GTB/4 #16507 - est 450-550k
    1964 250GT Lusso #5497 - est 1.6-2mm
    1958 250GT California #1011GT - est 8.5-11.5mm
    2020 488 Pista #252381 - est 370-470k
    1971 246GT Dino #01592 - est 240-280k

    RM is offering
    1993 Ferrari 348 Spider #98025 - est 90-110k
    1969 Ferrari 365 GT 2+2 #12333 - est 200-250k
    2004 Ferrari 360 Spider #136279 - est 50-80k
    1963 Ferrari 250 GTE 2+2 Series III #4689GT - est 350-450k
    2005 Ferrari Superamerica #146056 - est 600-800k
    2019 Ferrari 488 Pista Spider #247840 - est 500-700k
    2009 Ferrari 430 Scuderia 16M #166384 - est 340-440k
    1989 Ferrari GTB Turbo #80099 - est 70-110k
    1996 Ferrari 512 M #105395 - est 250-350k
    1950 Ferrari 195 Inter Coupé #0105S - est 800k - 1mm
    1973 Ferrari Dino 246 GTS #07474 - est 500-700k
    1956 Ferrari 250 GT Coupé #0435GT - est 1-1.4mm
    2001 Ferrari 550 Barchetta #124092 - est 300-400k
    2003 Ferrari Enzo #132658 - est 3-3.5mm
    1966 Ferrari 275 GTB/6C Alloy #08259 - est 2.7-3.2mm
    2016 Ferrari LaFerrari #214219 - est 3.7-4.8mm
    2002 Ferrari 575M Maranello #129504 - est 200-250k
    1960 Ferrari 250 GT SWB Berlinetta Competizione #1773GT - est 9-11mm
    1991 Ferrari Testarossa #90999 - est 180-220k
    1971 Ferrari 365 GTB/4 Daytona #14071 - est 425-475k
    1989 Ferrari 328 GTB #78947 - est 70-90k
    1983 Ferrari 512 BBi #45449 - est 180-220k
    1984 Ferrari 308 GTB Quattrovalvole #49819 - est 70-80k

    *All estimates are in EUROs
     
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    ^ $ or € ?
     
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    Car in pic appears to be a short nose.
     
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    Pretty sure it's 3005GT. Also, I think you meant Lukas Hueni.

    On a side note: 0540 would look really nice in yellow.
     
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    Are there any prices of the ferraris at Retromobilr known??

    Ken Goldman
     
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    340 America #0122A
     
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    Hello, indeed 3005GT from 1961, Rodriguez-winning Sefac Comp.
     
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    Not a 275 GTB/4 but a 275 GTB shortnose in Celeste.
    And the black 340 America Berlinetta Touring 0122 A.

    Marcel Massini
     
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    #17 Marcel Massini, Feb 2, 2024
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    Yes, you can buy the 250 GTO S2 4675 GT for 50 M $.
    Seriously.
    However, pls keep in mind that right now four other GTO's are also on the market.

    Marcel Massini
     
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    1. 3527
    2. 3729
    3. ?
    4. ?

    Inquiring minds want to know. :p
     
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    #19 Nembo1777, Feb 4, 2024
    Hello Timmy, the greedculator (speculator) crowd may have left this forum years ago like rats off a ship but we are still interested in your consolidated data and analysis of the four Paris auctions during Retromobile (Osenat joined the fray this year) which are nothing less than the Monterey of the old world.

    Merci in advance:)!
     
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    Give me a few days and will have something for you, just Ferraris or everything?

    My first look at the results is that RM and Bonhams did well and managed sellers expectations, Artcurial not so much.
     
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    #21 Nembo1777, Feb 5, 2024
    If you can include Maseratis that would be much appreciated, thank you:)

    FYI Osenat was only Delahayes, Delages and Talbot Lagos so a very specific market...but it is the first time there are FOUR auctions during Retromobile...I will ask them about their future plans.
     
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    Actually not the first time.
    A Facel Vega only auction took place some years ago during the same week as well. With great success.
    There have been smaller French cars only auctions too.

    On another note, plenty of Lussos & Short Nose 275s were offered for sale on the show.
     
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    RM is offering
    1993 Ferrari 348 Spider #98025 - est 90-110k SOLD 86,250
    1969 Ferrari 365 GT 2+2 #12333 - est 200-250k SOLD 175,375
    2004 Ferrari 360 Spider #136279 - est 50-80k SOLD 86,250
    1963 Ferrari 250 GTE 2+2 Series III #4689GT - est 350-450k SOLD 387,500
    2005 Ferrari Superamerica #146056 - est 600-800k Not sold
    2019 Ferrari 488 Pista Spider #247840 - est 500-700k SOLD 511,250
    2009 Ferrari 430 Scuderia 16M #166384 - est 340-440k SOLD 421,250
    1989 Ferrari GTB Turbo #80099 - est 70-110k SOLD 92,000
    1996 Ferrari 512 M #105395 - est 250-350k SOLD 308,750
    1950 Ferrari 195 Inter Coupé #0105S - est 800k - 1mm SOLD 750,000
    1973 Ferrari Dino 246 GTS #07474 - est 500-700k SOLD 635,000
    1956 Ferrari 250 GT Coupé #0435GT - est 1-1.4mm SOLD 916,250
    2001 Ferrari 550 Barchetta #124092 - est 300-400k SOLD 421,250
    2003 Ferrari Enzo #132658 - est 3-3.5mm SOLD 3.1mm
    1966 Ferrari 275 GTB/6C Alloy #08259 - est 2.7-3.2mm SOLD 3.211mm
    2016 Ferrari LaFerrari #214219 - est 3.7-4.8mm SOLD 3.95mm
    2002 Ferrari 575M Maranello #129504 - est 200-250k SOLD 220,000
    1960 Ferrari 250 GT SWB Berlinetta Competizione #1773GT - est 9-11mm SOLD 10.158mm
    1991 Ferrari Testarossa #90999 - est 180-220k SOLD 252,500
    1971 Ferrari 365 GTB/4 Daytona #14071 - est 425-475k SOLD 533,750
    1989 Ferrari 328 GTB #78947 - est 70-90k SOLD 120,750
    1983 Ferrari 512 BBi #45449 - est 180-220k SOLD 189,750
    1984 Ferrari 308 GTB Quattrovalvole #49819 - est 70-80k SOLD 92,000

    1970 Maserati Mistral 4.0 #AM109A1*1750 - est. 60-80k SOLD 77,625
    2007 Maserati MC12 Stradale #29631 - est. 2.8-3.5mm SOLD 3,042,500

    Total sales were €35,143,900 with a sell through rate of 84%

    This result lags last years 50.3mm EUR and 91% sellthrough and while down it will still have been a pleasing result, driven largely by the 250GT SWB sale. Bravo to RM
     
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    Bonhams are offering

    988 412i #76986 - est 70-90k SOLD 97,750
    1996 F512M #102984 - est 250-280k SOLD 299,000
    2006 575M Superamerica #146040 - est 330-400k SOLD 368,000
    2004 Enzo #136072 - est 3.5-4.5mm SOLD 3.91mm
    2001 550 Barchetta #124211 - est. 350-450k SOLD 402,500
    1988 Testarossa #76649 - est. 140-180k SOLD 212,750
    1965 330GT 2+2 #07335 - est. 250-350k 250-350k not sold

    1951 A6G #076 est. 450-650k SOLD 460k
    1969 Ghibli #AM115/49*1142 est. 80-120k SOLD 143,750
    1933 8C3000 #3004 est. 900k-1.2mm not sold
    1967 Mistral 4.0 #AM109/A1*1380 est. 110-140k SOLD 82,800
    1961 3500GT #AM101*1470 est. 130-190k SOLD 178,250
    1971 Ghibli SS #AM115/49*2144 est. 150-250k SOLD 90,850

    Total results were 15.4mm and a 84% sell through rate, far behind last years 28.5mm total although better than 2023s 77% rate. That said some of the result is due to offering just 95 lots vs 2023s 142.

    In and of that how much of a role does the sheer number of auctions and dealers play in limiting access to marquee lots. Back in say 2000 there was B-J with Scottsdale, RM held maybe 3 sales per year, Christies maybe 5, Poulain le Fur 3 and Brooks hosted 6-10. Now we have Gooding offering 3/4 sales per year, RM 10-12, Bonhams are now running at least 15 sales, Artcurial 3 sales, Broad Arrows 5+, not to mention Osenat, Aguttes, Mecum, Worldwide and all the others who want a slice of the action. Doubling the pie will either lead to more cars coming to market or a diluted, soggy filling. Looking towards Monterey I have little doubt RM and Gooding will have enough marquee lots to delight even the most jaded palette but even they will struggle to come up with marquee lots for ALL their sales, let alone the smaller auction houses.
     
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    #25 Nembo1777, Feb 6, 2024
    Thanks Tim, much appreciated.

    As you say Artcurial did not have a banner year as they usually do during Retromobile. They have finally published their results, a number of the important cars such as the Cal Spyder did not sell:

    https://www.artcurial.com/en/sale-4404-retromobile-2024-artcurial-motorcars

    FYI the price difference between the two Ghiblis at Bonhams is explained by the second one needing a lot of work such as paint bubbling very badly.
     
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