Ferraris are way underpowered

That Ford you own will never get the sound, or the soul of a Ferrari! It's not only about power, Ferrari's are special cars with real soul!

 

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I have always from the age of about 10 been excited about American muscle cars. Always planned to own one, one day and may well do (in addition to a Ferrari).

I set out a few years ago to look for a Mustang fastback a late 60's one. The price over here is from about £10k upwards for a half decent one.

I then read a book written by Jeremy Clarkson and discovered much to my amazement you could buy a Ferrari for less the £20k. So I started looking.

The 308 is absolutley beautiful, but I had a family and was little expensive for me.

When I came across the Mondial QV, my love of the Mustang disappeared.

I reckon performance alone there is little in a late 60's Muzzy and my Mondial, and the Mustang sounds great, but the Ferrari is just something else. It is unique and I cannot see me ever being without a Ferrari or maybe Lambo.

I still like Mustangs but IMHO compared to any Ferrari.. well for me there is no comparison.

I hope you enjoy your Mustang, and I don't care how many times you might pass me in straight line my smile will always be broader

 

Hang on a moment, Drew - you want the F430 to go FASTER??? I was never aware that it was a slow car!

Here are the F430 measured acceleration data from a respected European magazine:

0-62 mph 3.5s
0-100 mph 8.1s
0-125 mph 12.5s
1/4 mile 11.6s

These are AMAZING times by any standards, enough to blow into the weeds all AMGs, Cobras etc. - including the ultra-expensive Merc-McLaren SLR which is no faster than the F430.

I really do not understand why anyone would want to spoil the wonderful tactile balance of the F430 for more power - which probably wouldn't improve acceleration very much (the launch control is already working full-time during acceleration as it is) and would ruin the fine handling balance.

 

Dont waste your time on this.

He says he has an f430 on order and wishes it was faster......hasnt even had it yet, or probably driven one yet to talk, but still is.

"Pie in the sky"

 

According to whom ?

The only basher from start to finish in this thread is you.

Thats not my definition of smart.

 

Big Red: I've driven a 430 coupe (more then once). Yes it is fast. No it doesn't do 0-62 in 3.5 but in 4.0. That figure is from Ferrari who is known to be generous with their numbers.

My point is a 430 costs 5 times more then a Z06 and the Z06 is equally fast including in the corners.

I still love Ferrari's over any other car but they are never first when it comes to performance and I'd like to know why not? You can buy a Subaru WRX STI
new for under $50K that can keep up to a 360 around a track. By the way I hate WRX STI's.

 

I believe a 430 is more like 2.5x a Z06 ($180K to $75K, MSRP). A 430 Spider flipped will cost about 4x, but that's the market bidding the car up, not the price Ferrari is asking for what they deliver.

Which brings us the the second point. Ferrari is motivated to deliver what it takes to keep their customer base happy and the fact that the 430 is pretty much sold out for the next several years and commands aftermarket premiums says they succeeded. This is simple economics. If you want them to deliver more HP, then you have to walk away from buying a 430 and convince all the other guys you know to walk away from buying a 430, etc. What really happens when you walk away? Someone else steps up to buy the car instead of you. This just says Ferrari's are not valued by the majority of customers solely on the basis of peak HP. That's just the way it is.

 

Perfectly said.

 

I guess I just miss the days when a car like a TR was not only the coolest car on the road but was also the fastest. If there was an internet back then guys in Mustangs wouldn't be comparing the performance of their cars to cars like that. Working harder and smarter could get you something that no one else had. Now a days it's a different story unless you can buy an FXX or whatever.

 

It's quite clear from my profile I'm from NorCal, so it should be clear I'm talking US$. In any case the numbers were only used to get to a ratio. A local just purchased a 430 coupe at around US$180K MSRP and I understood the Z06 was selling for US$75K locally. That's a 2.5x ratio in the US. It sounds like if you're having to pay CD$280K on the 430, you're getting ripped, and if you can pay CD$80K on the Z06, then you're getting a deal in comparison to the US. Aside from questions about the import pricing, 280K/80K is a ratio of 3.5x for Canada, still a bit better than the original 5x estimate.

So cancel your 430 order.

 

c6 z06 list in CND dollars is $89,999.00 and the 430 list 6 speed $251,450.00.

The 280,ooo you are talking about DrewH is with ceramic breaks, F1 transmission and ragtop, all features that the Z06 does not have.

You keep mentioning that ferrari is behind, but you only mention the zo6, and vipers. The new 430 is on par, should it be ahead, yes for the price it should be, but once again its on a track that the comparison should be, and test results are not in yet, lets wait an see.

Every manufacture goes through some type of transition, picking on one car at one time is not a good comparison. Look at the entire history and the future ahead.

When the 348 came out, the NSX was the cats a$$ for half the price. Remmebr that ? Were is the NSX today? And ferrari went into the 355 after.

You may also remeber that in 86-89 years the beloved vette you talk about was getting its clock cleaned by there own internal brand "Buick" remember the grand national? the times on the grand national for $25k CDN at the time were beating everything including the vette at $35k CDN.

What Im saying is: "Its not how fast you go, but how you go fast"

 

Some people just don't get it. You either want one (for what ever reason that may be: speed, style, exclusivity, etc...) or you don't. There are more people that want them in line than supply.

I'm just lucky that my 22 year old 308 is fast enough for me and I don't need a 360/F430...

 

Having driven an F430, and not expecting the car to be as good as it was..I must say that the Vette had better be one spectacular ALL AROUND" sports car. I have driven pretty much every modern Ferrari thats out there and nothing has come close to the experiance i had in that F430. It is just an amazing machine.

Ferrari builds the entire package. Performance, power, handling, chaissis dynamic's interior finish etc. The engines are matched for the capabilities of the chassis, and suspension. Anybody can build a fast car. heck I could get a Model "T" Ford..stuff a huge 502 supercharged engine in it and tear the ass out of anything on the road. But if I wanted to go around a corner..or even really drive the car someplace..it would be totaly impractical.

I have driven vipers..a ton of them. And they are too me the Ford Model "T" of sports cars. The build of the car is awful at best, and they seem to be ready to fall apart at a momments notice. The interiors are right out of the Kmart auto section, and the engine is a rough and tumble as they come. There really is nothing too the cars at all. They are a simple chassis with big horsepower..thats it. Nothing more nothing less. very effective set up mind you, but in no way can it be compaired to the package the Ferrari offers.

The new Z06..I cannot fully comment on on, as I have not driven the car as of yet. But this seems to be the closest any north american car company has come to matching Ferrari's packaging, combining a great chassis, a PROPPER amount of horsepower for that chassis, a somwhat useful interior, and also using exotic material for body panels (carbonfiber). and it beats the new Viper quite well. Thats all nice a good..but I highly doubt it will be a true match for the F430 as a sports car package.

The F430 has such a dynamic to it that there is no way in my eyes to beat the thing. Sure the Vette or Viper may be faster but the feel of the car is somthing I have never experiance before. It makes anything ferrari has built to date seem really old and out dated. I highly doubt the Vette will have the same feel..Infact I can pretty much tell what the Vette will be like without ever needing a drive in it.

Ferrari is what Ferrari is. They have built a car that can do almost everything in one beautiful package. A package that will maintain its resale value better then any vette or Viper could dream about, and with 20 thousand of them set to be built and the run almost sold out, I would think that the 430 values will stay high until the new model hits in 2008.

 

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Our "friend" appears to have a couple of Internet posting patterns, but here's one pattern related to cars ...

http://66.155.125.17/forums/showthread.php?t=89897

The MB guys have had to suffer this guy's inanities before us.

 

He's such a reject. NO ONE GIVES A **** ABOUT YOUR STANG ITS A DAMN FORD. WHEN will he understand that even 1000000 HP in a 1980s Olds doesn't mean the end all?!?!?!?! There's MORE to a car than the HP you lunatic. The best thing of all, how it makes you feel. Sure a Z06 will make you smile as you blast around beating 99% of the cars around you, but that Ferrari will put an ear to ear grin everytime you sit in it. It's something you shall never understand seeing as you've never even sat in anything worth more than 10k.

 

Hehe, yeah but it's ok because he got smoked in that forum already. Click on the one user's video's of the stock Benz E55 doing in the stupid mustang on camera. Priceless.

 

Time to close this thread.....

 

Yes, good point Rick.

Oh and here is the latest mods for the Stang fans in this thread. Apparently with these mods it's guaranteed to beat the E55 hands down. Simply because the E55 driver breaks down instantly in laughter and crashes...
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Or neural dysfunction, or severe trauma to the brain due to the sights observed, or blindness.....