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  1. Julio Batista

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    Awesome!

    This is only the second color picture I have seen of a car painted in the official Cuban racing colors. All I had was one old picture and a word description in a letter to the factory. And the quality of this one is great. it gives a very good idea of the original light yellow. Thank you Boudewijn.
     
  2. arturogpola

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    Hola soy otra vez Arturo, saludos a todos. El autor del grabado se llama Fernando Hoyos. Hizo también para el homenaje de Oviedo, un grabado sobre Julio Pola, precioso. El artista vive en la sierra de Madrid. Voy a buscar sus datos para ponerlos en el chat. El problema es que no se como subir información.
    Saludos
     
  3. arturogpola

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    El e-mail de Fernando Hoyos es fhoyos.dl2@gmail.com

    Es un gran artista y muy accesible. Tiene muchísima obra sobre el automóvil.
    Saludos.
    Por cierto en la comida del homenaje en Oviedo estuvieron hablando de Batista.
    Un familiar más cercano que yo, de Julio Pola quedó en que vamos a ir a su casa para que nos comente las cosas que recuerda de Julio Pola. Comió un par de veces en casa de Julio en Caracas y conoció a su mujer Elba.
     
  4. wbaeumer

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    Ciao!
    Walter
     
  5. arturogpola

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    Hello, I'm Arturo G-Pola.

    The engrave of Armando Gª Cifuentes was made by Fernando Hoyos, he lives in the countryside of Madrid. It appears in the published book which talks about the
    history of motoring in Asturias. In this book there's a picture of Julio Pola, in which I contributed with a lot of information with the help of Brankok, Salgati, Octavio, Juan Vené and Julio's family. And the biography of Armando García Cifuentes.

    The e-mail of the artist is:

    Fhoyos.d12@gmail.com

    In Julio's Tribute, Oviedo, A relative of Julio and me were talking with Armando and we agreed to go visit him to Madrid in order for him to tell us his memories about Julio.

    My email is arturogpola@gmail.com in case someone wants me to send him some pictures from the tribute.

    In that tribute Armando was talking about Batista.


    Greetings.
     
  6. OldRacer

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    All,

    I was there, and promise to write a recollection on that Cuba event. I did record a video on it, that I will post soon. Those were great times. I remember the smell of those cigars...and the women ..... I heard that the ferrari I drove is in Milan, can someone provide a contact name so I can forward photos to the owner?

    Allen
     
  7. GIOTTO

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  8. jsalgatti

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    Hello:
    Does any of you have pictures of Piero Drogo's # 30 250 TR s/n 0714 which finished 12º in 1958 GP?

    Thanks
     
  9. ggjjr

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    Allen,
    more about the cigars and women, please. Man cannot live on car stories, alone.

    George
     
  10. michael platzer

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  11. jsalgatti

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    Thanks Michael for your picture, we will see if there are others
     
  12. GIOTTO

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    I posted this one somewhere the last year. It's from a French magazine.
     
  13. arttidesco

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    #38 arttidesco, Nov 26, 2010
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    Since I know Julio has visited this thread I wonder if he might know anything about this Ferrari 250 GT California #0919 which I understand once also belonged to his father.

    I was sent this photo of it by a friend in NC his dad Ed Arnaudin took the photo with Bob Grossman at the wheel at Lime Rock I believe on 9th May 1959.

    Thanking you in anticipation of your response.

    Art Tidesco

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  14. Julio Batista

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    Thank you for the picture and the blog link. I have indeed researched 0919, and my father extensively filmed the car in 16 mm.

    The blog is mistaken in that the original color of the car was white, not red. Red is for racing cars that are part of an Italian team. My father never raced 0919, and he was not Italian; he just liked Italian women (he married one) and Italian cars. He would have never owned a red Ferrari.

    He did race 0698 MDTR, naturally painting it in the color of Cuban racing teams, which was light yellow with a black central stripe.

    I even fantasize sometimes about reproducing that color scheme on my Dino. Somebody please tell me I am crazy. :)

    Cheers!

    Julio
     
  15. arttidesco

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  16. Julio Batista

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  17. arttidesco

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  18. kare

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    Grossman California is NOT 0919GT. This just another confusion generated by inventing a serial number for a mystery car and never looking back. Best wishes, Kare
     
  19. arttidesco

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    Thanks very much Kare :)

    I thought I was doing really well knowing that Grossman's silver 250 GT CS was not the same as #1451 used at Le Mans !

    I got the the #0919 number from Northeast American Sports Car Races 1950-1959 page 372, does anyone have a more reliable source of information as to what the chassis number of Bob Grossman's car raced with masking tape on the nose at several events in 1959 might be ?

    Thanking you in anticipation

    Art Tidesco

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  20. kare

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    Far from sure, but if you drove that car up for judging, they would tell you that yo got some seriously incorrect gauges there dude! Best wishes, Kare
     
  21. arttidesco

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    Are you saying the Cockpit of the Ferrari in my blog is not even a 250 GT California Spyder ?

    Or the whole #22 car is not a California Spyder ?

    If you believe it to be something else please enlighten me ?

    Cheers in anticipation

    Art

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  22. kare

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    It is a late 1958 Cal Spider all right, but those small gauges are what we've used to see on PF Coupes, not Cal Spiders. So if you drove that car out of a time capsule and into a concours event, the judges would tell you they must deduct some points for those gauges...

    Best wishes, Kare
     
  23. buurman

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    No Kare,
    All Pf coupe cars does have flat lenses/glass .Those seen on the picture has concaaf lenses as all cars from1956-1958 does have these, like TDF, Boano/Ellena etc. but not the first PF cars (58).
    the diameter is also correct imo.

    ciao
    cornelis
     
  24. arttidesco

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    #49 arttidesco, Nov 26, 2010
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    Thanks for pointing out the inconsistency with the dials Kare :)

    Completely off topic and with all due respect if I drove Bob Grossmans 250 GT CS out of time the last place I would take it is to a concours event, for just one example among many look at how #1451 GT has been stripped of every last nut and bolt of it's real history and turned into a nice shiny boulevard cruiser now painted in a completely unoriginal red with completely unoriginal tan interior.

    #1451 GT made its name painted silver and lent a lot of kudos to the 250 GT mystique, painted silver, in the process. It was built and prepared as a racing car, one of just nine (?) that is what competizione specification means that is why it was built with an all aluminium body, that is why at some point it was fitted with a roll bar and outsize fuel filler.

    http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/88899971.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF878921CC759DF4EBAC47D0E8C69734F43EC7EB58C9844103FDEE460CB29551204577BC

    If the owner of #1451 wanted a pretty car why did they not at least have the decency to buy a 250 GT CS without a significant history there must have been at least a dozen un raced vehicles to choose from and price surely was not a factor ?

    Its high time the small minds at Pebble Beach and beyond woke up to the fact that their criteria are stripping every historic vehicle with any character of every square nano meter of original patina in pursuit of some fantasy idea of perfection that most manufacturers of these vehicles would recognise as nothing other than pointless folly.

    For what its worth I believe the whole concours movement is nothing but a blight on history of motoring.

    If you are a concours fan, employed by or engaged with concours in any way answer me this, what is the purpose of having a historic vehicle that looks prettier than at any time in its past yet looks nothing like the vehicle that made history ?

    I believe in the preservation & conservation of motoring history by all means but the wanton destruction of patina in pursuit of concours points is in my humble opinion nothing more than the criminal destruction of history.

    Apologies rant over !

    Meantime has anybody got any closer to what chassis number for Bob Grossmans Ferrari 250 GT California Spyder with faired in headlights and raced in several events with a nose covered in masking tape ?

    Thanking you in anticipation,

    Art

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  25. VIZSLA

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    #50 VIZSLA, Nov 26, 2010
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    Given the Reg # I assumed that this was 1451. Am I wrong?
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