Ferrari's at Cuba G.P.

If the licence plate and the chassis number really match up then all is not lost !

Would you know where and when this photo was taken and can we be sure that the licence plate and chassis number match up Vizsla would you happen to have a pic of the front of the car with licence plate #1451 ?

Last I heard of #1451 was on this RMAuction page in which as you can see all sorts of excuses have been made to turn #1451 into an abomination against history :-

http://www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cfm?SaleCode=mo07&CarID=r333&Currency=

The page also incorrectly states that #1451 with Grossman / Tavano came first in class at Le Mans in France which it did not #1451 came 5th overall 3rd the in 3.0 GT class behind Blaton / Dernier 250 GT LWB Coupe of the ENB Team and one of the sister NART cars with Pilette / Arents at the wheel.

If #1451 has been returned to it's original racing spec someone out there deserves a medal for service rendered to the history of motor sport.

Meantime still looking for info chassis number on the Bob Grossman masking tape special ?

Thanking you in anticipation

Art

http://psychoontyres.blogspot.com/

 

I took it and these others at the Lime Rock Historics this past Labor Day
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If it is a replica of the Grossman/Tavano #1451 GT I take my hat off to the person responsible for keeping the memory of Le Mans 1959 alive.

If it's the real thing I am thrilled someone has turned back the clock and undone someone else's IMHO criminal vandalism

Thanks for sharing the photo's Vizsla

Meantime I'd love to know if anyone has a chassis number for the masking tape 250 GT CS with faired in headlights see #22 in the photo at the top of the page.

Thanking you in anticipation.

Art

http://psychoontyres.blogspot.com/

 

No replica.
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Thanks for giving me something to think about Boudewijn, is it documented that #1451 GT has been returned to its 1959 LM guise and by whom was the work done ?

... after the evidence presented by RMAuctions that #1451 GT has been turned in to a boulevard cruiser it is going to take a bit more than a Florida state licence plate to convince me that the vehicle in this picture is indeed chassis #1451, which is why I believe who ever painted #1451 red in the first place is guilty IMHO of irresponsible criminal damage, repainting cars willy nilly causes irreparable doubt.

http://www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cfm?SaleCode=mo07&CarID=r333&Currency=

Meantime still looking for info on the chassis number of the #22 masking tape LWB 250 GT CS with faired in headlights driven by Bob Grossman

Thanking you in anticipation.

Art

http://psychoontyres.blogspot.com/2010/11/masking-tape-special-ferrari-lwb-250-gt.html

 

Same car in 2009.
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While I would not call this definitive proof I'm impressed, and heartend to know that #1451GT might not be a lost basket case forever ! Thanks Boudewin.

Good to know there might be some sanity and concern for history amongst collectors in the stratospheric regions of the pursuit.

Hate to be going on and on about Bob Grossmans other 250 GT CS but I would be really grateful if someone can shed some light on it's chassis number, #0919 GT has been called into doubt on this thread does any one have a reference / link where I might find out it's true identity. See link to more pics and blog about Bobs other 250 GT CS below :-

Thanking you in anticipation

Cheers


Art

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1451GT was entered at Pebble Beach 2008 also with the same licence plate by the present owner: no doubt it is the real car.

 

Some nice and interesting photos with #1451GT here: http://www.virhistory.com/vir/60-may/ln-6005.htm
And a photo of the dashboard of #1451GT (copyright Les Nance). Just to compare it with the taped car.
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for now thanks Boudewijn, if I knew who the new owner was I'd recommend him for sainthood

Thanks for that interesting photo Giotto, looking at the car I believe to be #0919GT the only discernible differences I can see with my glasses on are the key fob in #1451GT and the wipers on #0919 are not specifically set for left hand drive while #1451 has LHD only wipers.

I have seen a pic 250GT CS #0769 GT also with faired in lights and non specific wipers could this be significant to the ID of the masking tape car which I believe to be #0919GT ?
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1451's dash today
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Stunning VIZSLA

 

This is Grossman in practice at Lime Rock 1959. This time no masking tape. In the race the tape was on again.
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Thanks. I was, as you might say, gobsmacked when I first saw it.
It had a couple of nice neighbors too.
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It is a late 1958 specs Cal Spider, so most likely 0939 or 0965. Note the early style two ear knock offs. Best wishes, Kare

PS. based on McKenzie's C-type and Constantine's Aston I also believe that Boudewijn's pic may be from Lime Rock 09/58.

 

Kare that's a great start on the chassis numbers thanks for the tip on the knock offs

 

Montgomery 1959 (From the Barcboys site).
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The same car!

Caption on the orig. KODAK-frame mentions "Cumberland 5-1959"

ph.: © Walter Bäumer Collection, 2010

Ciao!
Walter
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Fabulous picture Boudewijn

Any idea what date your photo was taken ?

From what I can work out there were at least 5 meetings at Lime Rock in 1959 with one abandoned & rescheduled making 6.

Terry O'Neil Northeast American Sports Car Races 1950-1959

Has

24 04 59 Meeting cancelled after race 2 due to CT Law enforcement requirement and rain.

02 05 59 G Constantines #49 DBR2/1 present Race 2 no sign of Bob Grossman

09 05 59 Rescheduled from 24/04 #22 Grossman present see Ed Arnadins pics posted by me but no sign of G Constantine in the #49 DBR2/1

06 06 59 G Constantines #49 DBR2/1 present wins Race 1 no sign of Bob Grossman

13 06 59 Results only for race 1 Class G & H

Racing Sports Cars .com

additionaly has

04 07 59 #9 Grossman BP,CP DP race Winner but G Constantine in the #49 DBR2/1 winning the CM, DM, EM,FM race.

Cheers

Art

http://psychoontyres.blogspot.com/

 

Top pic wbaeumer

According to racingsportscars.com Bob cam in 3rd overall 1st in class CP driving the #29 at Cumberland on the 17th May 1959 in the BP, CP, DP race.

 

Hi Julio

I have been looking at the Brachetta, not the most reliable I know, site again and from that I gather your Father exchanged #0919 disputed as being #22 car in Ed Arnaudins picture I posted for a 250 GT Coupe PF which is listed as being white, I wonder if you would be so kind as to confirm both the 250 GT California Spyder #0919 and the 250 GT Coupe PF #1935 GT were both white cars ?

Thanking you in anticipation of your response,

Cheers

Art

http://psychoontyres.blogspot.com/

 

The photo was definitely taken at Lime Rock at practice for the 4th of July 1959 races (Alex Callier collection: part of original photo). The C-type of MacKenzie with racenumber 52 (XKC030) finished 10th in Race 6. In 1958 Grossman drove a Jaguar XK150S at Lime Rock.

 

I have 3 photos of 0919GT confirming the colour originaly was white.

 

1935GT was listed as rosso bordeaux with black interior by Pininfarina.

 

Hi Art,

LWB 250 California 0919 was white. The California was exchanged for 250 PF Coupe 1157, which was also white (now in my possession). 250 PF Coupe 1935 came later and was dark red.

Cheers,

Julio