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  1. Sire Bruno de Losckley

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    Hello Sir, I am sorry I took these pics in the basement of the Geneva Motor Show in 1975, there or there were other cars.

    You called me, that it was a basement Christie's expo? If I understood correctly.


    Bonjour Monsieur Massini, je suis désolé, mais j'ai pris ces photos au sous sol du salon de Geneve en 1975, là ou il y avait d'autres autos.

    Vous me dite, qu'au sous sol c'était une expo Christie's? Si j'ai bien compris.
     
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  3. Marcel Massini

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    #27 Marcel Massini, Dec 6, 2015
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    Yes, of course. Christie's displayed the majority of their auction cars in the basement of the Geneva Motor Show building. I was there too, forty years ago. I had tried to say that Christie's auction cars are not the Ferraris shown at the actual international motor show, on the stand of the manufacturer.

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    Though some sources say 0717SA was on the stand at Paris 1957, I believe it's 0715SA instead (black over red).
     
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    For sure 0715/SA with black colour and red interior...
     
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    Salon de Paris:
    1953 0295EL should read 0295EU
    1955 rolling chassis 410 SA was 0423SA
    1959 250 GT PF Coupe was 1499GT (colour 1511GT was blu sera)
     
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    Way back in post #4 1966 at Torino the fly yellow Dino appears to have Goodyear racing tires?
    Denoted by the thin pinstripe around the outer edge of the tire...
     
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    I think you will find the 275GTB on the stand was:

    VIN 07905 Celeste Chiaro/ Rosso Scuro
     
  17. Marcel Massini

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    #39 Marcel Massini, Dec 9, 2015
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    Disagree. Not 07905.
    The Ferraris at the 52nd Annual Paris Motor Show 7-16 October 1965 were:
    275 GTB Berlinetta Alloy, Rosso Chiaro 20-R-190, #07887.
    275 GTS Spider, Azzurro 19278 M, #07573.
    330 GT 2+2, Verde Scuro 19394, #07557.
    206 S Dino Speciale Pininfarina, Rosso, #0840.

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    Have from Ferrari directly that 07905 was the show car
     
  19. Marcel Massini

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    Me too! But for 07887. In writing.
    I love that.

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  20. Marcel Massini

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    #42 Marcel Massini, Dec 9, 2015
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    I have written factory confirmation that:
    07887 was the 1965 Paris Motor Show car.
    07887 was Rosso Chiaro 20-R-190 and had no headrests.
    07905 was Celeste Chiaro 106-A-26 BUT EQUIPPED WITH a headrest for the passenger seat only (appogiatesta).

    The photo here is from Dominique Pascal's book "Ferrari au Salon de Paris 1948-1988", page 88, bottom left corner, and shows the Ferrari stand in Paris 1965.
    The dark car in the foreground is a 275 GTB Berlinetta which clearly has NO headrests, neither for the driver nor for the passenger.
    The brighter car in the back ground is 275 GTS Spider #07573.
    I think together with the written confirmation I have from the factory that 07887 was the "Salone di Parigi" car that is enough proof, not only because of the lack of headrests but also because Rosso Chiaro on a black and white photo is certainly a darker color than Celeste Chiaro (07905).
    07887 has an alloy body with the typical seam on the A-pillar and the extended rain gutter above the side window (to hide as much as possible of the rear seam). The black white photo here clearly shows the seam and the extended rain gutter.
    Chassis #07905 may have been originally INTENDED for the 1965 Paris Motor Show but was not completed in time.
    The 52nd Annual Paris Motor Show began on the 7th October 1965 and ended on the 16th October 1965. After the Paris Show Ferrari 275 GTB chassis #07887 was returned from France to Maranello, the factory build sheets also show a final completion date of 21st October 1965. Then, on the 9th November 1965, chassis #07887 was sold new by the factory to Luigi Chinetti Motors in NY who paid US$ 7'000. Chinetti then sold 07887 to the first private owner Mr. Haas in NY.
    Meanwhile 07905 was delivered to FBA Franco Britannic Autos in Levallois-Perret (Paris), France.

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    #44 Marcel Massini, Dec 9, 2015
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    Regarding post #42:
    The photo here was taken in 2015 at Gipimotors in Belgium and shows 07905 WITH a headrest (plastic covered) for the passenger only.

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    Pictures don't lie ! I was aware of 07887 being the show car, that's why I was confused .I had mentioned to Factory 07887 They still said 07905???? I guess I will have to ask AGAIN!! My records show 07905 built in Sept 1965 . Interesting that your built sheet
    On 07887 shows completion end of October Isn't that After the show had ended? I don't have delivery date to FBA
     
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    #48 Boudewijn, Dec 12, 2015
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    Same event, same couple in 0485SA. From period magazine.
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  27. Marcel Massini

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  28. Boudewijn

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    Thanks Marcel.
     

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