Ferraris en Venezuela - Branko remembered July 2, 2011

a few interesting Ferraris, 0758, 0726, 0418, 0534 and 0618.
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Finally I spoke to the owner of the yellow car, he explained that the 12 cylinder was installed by Felix Varona, they kept the transaxel wich gave a lot of trouble, and he also said that he bought the car from Guido Lollobrigida, will meet him again to see if he finds some documents that can lead me to the serial number.
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What kind of trouble? Gearxhange? Stripping first gear? Best wishes, Kare

 

The yellow car is ex Guarducci 1956 and Targa Florio 55 #74 Cortese/Pucci.

 

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The way he explained wasnt very clear, but had to do with shifting difficulties, because some mods on the shifter because of the position of the v12 engine that was moved backwards he said.
would like to see you in the 0302 thread.

Supposedly both cars are the same, what serial would that be?.
Thanks
branko

 

I think 0534MD with no certitude.

 

The yellow car picture is in 1966, 0534 had an accident in 1960 in Colombia and was modified by Jose Zilio to LHD and the tail to look like an Alfa TZ, it has been rumored that Piero Drogo (who lived in the same town) had to do with the design of this car and the berlinetta that Zilio made for road racing. that leaves 0534 out.
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Copyright Camilo Steuer on the berlinetta picture
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It appears that the gear change is one of the weak spots on 500 Mondial/750 Monza and having to change it does not necessarily make it any better. At least Pertti Gron who raced 0568M in the 60's says he changed into second gear as soon as he got the car rolling and was happy for not having to touch the damn stick again for the rest of the race. 180 km/h that the car would do on second gear was plenty enough on sand and ice and if he needed more, the engine would just be happy running past red line.

To do what? I am quite sure you have found remains of a car belonging to trio of 0302-0304-0306, but I have no clue which is which. I have a basic understading why Ferrari renumbered cars back in the day, but it doesn't help us any further. Keep up the good work, I love the photos you post and am amazed about how many there are! Best wishes, Kare

 

Kare I am quite sure there is more to find about some of the cars that came to Venezuela, but IMHO looks like the new findings are inconvinient for some people that already wrote and said things about the cars that came to Venezuela.
Do you believe that the last findings are going to find room in correcting the errors in Barchetta and future books? Who writes the Barchetta data? is it possible to contact that person or persons.
Enjoy
branko

 

Very very few people have constructed history files on these cars in a way that can adapt to new conflicting info. Very few people can handle information that is very incomplete. I too must admit that it gets very confusing and as I'm a die hard fan of road cars, I'm a bit out of my league here too. I don't have a reputetion to protect, but some people do, I think.

All books and other sources are filled with errors and guesses. We should go through all material and solve the big problems and when we have discovered the truth, who cares what goes on in other medias. With time everyone will follow the truth, if only it can be found.

Barchetta is not an important source, it's good for a quick view but filled with dozens and dozens of errors. It hasn't been properly maintained for the past 10 years of so. Best wishes, Kare

 

For elmotorizado and Aardy I have check this number plates at Roma's PRA and I can say who the cabriolet Vignale is s/n 0173 E, Ferrari type 212, absolutely never published at any Ferraris book !
0173 E was made at October 25 in the year 1951.
The last italian owner was the building Society of Amedeo Marcotulli in Rome who bought this 0173 E in the 1955 April.
Real interesting car !!!!
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Hi Kare, what do you consider a better source

Cyril, they left out a few things, the victory in Colombia, Villoresi's victory, just to give you an example

Grazie tante.
Is it possible to have the complete document, would like to have it for the Marcotulli family.
branko

 

Yes Barchetta is a place to start.Yes, not only errors but much data and info missing. I am on my fourth year of filling in at least some of the blanks.Many of you have helped me. Thanks. It is interesting how much missing info is "hidden away". I am at this moment going thru the Google web sites for many of the "Men from Maranello". It's amaising the threads to be found there that I have never seen before. just one man's opinion tongascrew

 

F Chat threads and posts as well as those in other sites are filled with additions and corrections to Barchetta listings In my files I have thousands of these and am collecting more every day. I have no idea who is responsible for Barchetta but as a place to start it's what's out there. Trust me, we all look forward to anything you can come up with on these three chassis numbers. Put your findings out there including details of your sources and see what happens. It is the way things are done. It is what keeps F Chat going. Keep up the good work and thanks so much for your involvement. just one man's opinion tongascrew

 

Many people have asked me the complete history of 0173 E.
Attention because before the plates was again Rome !
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I prefer original reseach. With the work completed by other people one must be neurotic all the time as it is very difficult to know where you can trust them. With original research you at least know where the weak spots are.

Best wishes, Kare

 

In a perferct world you are correct. However even Schleiman and Carter used other people's rersearch in finding Troy and King Tut. just one man's opinion tongascrew

 

Eh..it was Heinrich Schliemann (not "Schleiman") who found Troy. But even Einstein used other people`s sources for his sience!

Ciao!
Walter

 

I would still think that he too must have been either irritated or amused by all the mistakes he found when going through the papers written by other people. On the other hand it doesn't take an einstein to research automobile history. It is pretty basic stuff, after all. Best wishes, Kare

 

Kare, correct - but to find a very rare 50ies Ferrari hidden in dispair is like finding the Treasure of Priam!

Ciao!
Walter

 

Thanks a lot

I agree with you, the problem is that most of the people that lived the facts are no longer with us.
branko