ferrari's influence

they're away "researching" by test driving a few of the cars, scientific conclusions will arrive shortly

 

Well I do know that Bizzarrini built lambo's first V12 after he left Ferrari, and I believe Lambo's chief driver came from a ferrari racing team.

Be more specific on your question and you'll probably get some really good answers. For example: what influence do you suspect?

 

After you're through pondering this, consider how much Ferrari has been influenced by the soul-less, heritage-less, character-less NSX.

 

No need to change your question. I just wanted to point out that Ferrari is subject to influence too, just like any other manufacturer.

 

And at the same time, put down the NSX while you are at it.

We are all entitle to our opinion, but I have to say, you are way out of line putting down the NSX like that. While I am not a huge fan of the NSX, but you can not deny that it is one of the best engineered sports car that has ever been created. It is reliable, driver-friendly and it can truely be used on a daily bases. The car may be a little lacking in it's identity, but Honda is relatively young when it comes to making high-end, high performance cars. The same goes for Honda's heritage in racing, they are still a relatively young company. I don't seem to recall Porsche participating in any of the top racing series either, while Honda is still a player in F1 in comparison to Porsche's sad attempt with an overweight, underpowered F1 engine, and they didn't even have the stones to stay in and develop their F1 program. The NSX forced a lot of changes amount the world of the exotics, and that includes Porsches just as well.

 

Calm down! I was just being facetious. I almost edited my earlier comment to point that out since the poster is apparently a student and might not be aware that these are the usual derogatory comments some in the Ferrari crowd hurl at anything which is not a Ferrari, especially the NSX.

While I am indeed a 911 fan (well, at least of the earlier 911s...), I have owned an NSX (loved it) and currently own a Ferrari. The NSX is a fabulous car and does not deserve the harsh put downs it gets from many Ferrari snobs.

 

Anthony,

I didn't read 911fans comments as derogatory at all. The NSX is a tight ride AND it also shows what a company can do without having years or heritage, soul and all that mystic stuff that we pay dearly for. Through all his posts 911fan has always been neutral, cool and sound in his thinking. Even though it sounded like an insult it wasn't..quite the opposite in fact.

 

Yes, yes the NSX is a great car, back to the question at hand. I'm surprised no one has brought up the fact that Lamborghini was started after Feruccio(sp) Lamborghini bought a car from Ferrari, i beleive it was a 250. He absolutely hated the car and told Enzo that, both being the think headed Italians they were it led to a fight were Enzo told Lamborghini to go back to making tractors (his business at the time). Lamborghini hired a team of engineers to redesign the 250 and make it into the car he wanted it to be. This is how Lamborghini came around.

 

Great story, but it may have been just that, a story. I have heard that this is not true. I have heard that this never ever happened, or at that Enzo never even granted Ferrucio a meeting. Maybe someone on this forum can shed some light on this legend.

 

I pondered that when I was typing, I've know that story for a long time but not sure from where. It is however a very interesting topic, I'll try to do some research on that and see if I can find out the facts.

 

I found some good info, http://www.forbes.com/2004/07/19/cx_dl_0719feat.ls.html

Heres the good stuff from the article,

Ferrari, since Lamborghini's beginnings in 1963, has been the company's main rival. Ferruccio Lamborghini got his start by going out at night after World War II, stealing old military vehicles left by the Italian roadside and putting their engines into tractors. After manufacturing tractors had made him wealthy, he met Ferrari founder Enzo Ferrari and complained that the clutch on his Ferrari did not work.

"You cannot complain about my cars," Ferrari told him, "because you are a tractor driver."

Enraged, Lamborghini said, "I will show you how to make a sports car."

"I heard him tell this story 100 times," says Balboni. "If it's true or not, I'll never know."

 

I had never heard Bizzarini connected to Lamborghini before. I thought Dallara designed the Lambo V12? After Bizzarini left Ferrari, he worked on the ATS project with Chiti (cool little car - I saw one at Italiano Concorso), then Iso. And lets not forget the SWB he transformed into the Breadvan for a customer who was denied a GTO. Not sure how he could have time to design an engine! Besides, I thought Bizzarini was more of a chassis engineer.

-steve

 

Bizzarrini designed a F1 V12 engine that was rejected by Ferrari. Lamborghini commissioned him to enlarge and redesign it for road use. It became the Lambo 350GTV's engine, also the basis to all Lambo V12's. A Lambo V12 was installed in a Bizzarrini P538 race car.

He left Lamborghini when Ferruccio didn't want to go racing.

Above info from Peter Dron's "Lamborghini Countach The Complete Story"

 

Willis,

Thanks for the info!

 

Glad to help, Steve.