FERRARI'S OMNIPOWER IN F-1

i agree...but you should post in the racing section.

 

It's really easy to accept. You just have to really dislike Lewis Hamilton. Then you just don't have problems with it at all.







OK, I am just kidding. Except the part about not liking Hamilton. That's true


I don't think this is new in motorsports. Or in any sports for that matter. Anybody watch the Olympics?

 

You must be an Obama supporter, that's the way they talk-LOL!

I thought Kimi had the racing line, and did nothing but took the preferred line he was not only entitled to but was committed too. From my perspective of looking at the replay, I did not see where Hamilton really fell in behind Kimi, but rather carried his momentum forwards from his off line maneuver.

Now as for race in the race, look at James Stewart http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbVHRAdouJA in Motorcross- He did the unthinkable, and won what, 23 or 24 out of 24? Since no one has heard of him, he needs a new manager because that is simply phenomenal, and I hope Hamilton wins, jut not this year. This year the Masa hatters need something to gripe about, and this bit of controversy should do that just fine.

 

I think that there's possibly some truth to that, but I'd like to see exactly how the rule reads. Furthermore, Hamilton made a left/right move past the pits to grab the inside line into La Source, so he clearly was behind Kimi at that point (though that does not mean that he wasn't carrying extra speed from straightlining the chicane). What's a shame is that Hamilton was clearly able to run rings around Kimi in the wet, and from that standpoint deserved the win. In other words, if Hamilton had backed off more on the pit straight and not overtaken Kimi at La Source, he almost certainly would have been able to do it somewhere on that lap, even without Kimi throwing it away.

 

+1. In the F1 drivers briefing, they speak of giving up the place AND ANY ADVANTAGE EVENTUALLY GAINED if you leave the track surface. Big grey area. Simple to have done it later.

 

hey peter,
let me add my 2 cents. i do believe that lewis gained an advantage but if he would have let off a little longer then i think he would have taken kimi later in the next lap or so. its just another example of lewis being a little too impetuous for his own good, like brazil 07 when he got into it with alonzo when all he needed to do was come in 5th to clinch the title. i am really surprised he lost the win though. i thought that the penalty would be 10 spots for Monza. all this said, GO MASSA!!!! he has worked very hard and really seems to enjoy wins like MS did. kimi doesnt seem to care one way or the other. minimal emotion when the engine went or he met the wall.
as far as 07. i dont think ferrari was handed the championship unless you are talking about the McLs idiotic tire strategy in china.and the pit fighting in hungary. even if they got to keep the constructor points they would have had 203 to ferraris 204 when you take out the 15 driver points from hungary. McL lost the championship due to poor perfrormance down the stretch. kimi won 3 of the last 4

 

+1 on james stewart. bubba stewart has re-written all the motocross records and will soon make supercross a ho humm event. he is soooooo far above the others that there is virtually no race!!!

 

I feel that LH had nowhere to go and went off. Straightlining the corner gave him an adavantage which he did give back just as he is required to. That should have been it IMO. What else should he have done, pull over and wait 10 secs.?
Regardless of who anyone roots for. I don't think anyone was disadvantaged. Yes, I would have like for Kimi to win but I think Hamilton had him at the end either way.

Karl

 

Obviously, we're all huge fans of the Scuderia.... but to me, winning a championship on technicalities and decisions of the FIA is not what motorsport should be about. Sadly, it probably is.

I don't need a one-side ass-whomping like Schumacher demonstrated in his last few years, but I would like to see whomever crosses the finish line first be awarded the trophy.

 

I agree 100%. This leaves me wondering whether the call would have been the same had the roles been reversed. I am not convinced that it would have.

Hamilton was on a tear and driving absolutely awesomely prior to catching Kimi, and his straightlining the chicane was clearly out of necessity, not a conscious choice to gain an advantage. After that, he did what is required and allowed Kimi back into the lead and passed him cleanly and fairly into La Source. A racer shouldn't be penalized for racing.

 

two views:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6ovii_wwwformulamagcom-hamiltonkimi_sport

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP5pxQGlzFM

 

You're assigning too much benevolence to LH (or any top-level driver anywhere in the world, for that matter!). I wish that were true, but it's not.

Lewis Hamilton has been born, bred and trained to take advantage of EVERY opportunity to gain an advantage. THAT is what racing is.

There is a right way and a wrong way to do this. An integral part of any serious driver training or race driver coaching is inculcating that driver with the proper ethical stance to make instantaneous decisions that adhere to that stance. People are different, they are wired differently, they make different decisions faced with the same circumstances and that's why we are where we are with this.

I have no feelings one way or the other on this. I believe LH had a performance advantage that was overwhelming once it started raining. He "pushed the issue" and BOTH drivers locked up right fronts immediately preceding LH straight-lining the chicane. If there had been a gravel trap (or a wall on the outside like Montreal), it would have been game over for him. You can see him make the decision and turn the wheel left to aim for the pavement and not the verge between. He re-enters ahead, but does come out of it for effect.

See Trulli's take here: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70435

All of this would not be an issue if the driver's meeting had not specifically covered this instance at Spa and before the race. Massa spilled the beans and told all what that was. The Stewards were just following what the drivers had been told BEFORE THE RACE.

It's really easy to go into a free-fall in behavior at that high a competitive environment unless strict guidelines are outlined beforehand and enforced. This is what happened.

 

Peter:

Perhaps so, and point taken!

DS

 

I meant to put a smiley face after that. Thanks for reading it that way.

The in-car is pretty amazing.

 

WOW,

I caught the last half of the race and turned off the TV immediately after the checker. This is all news to me. There was alot of great saves that were tarnished by poor judgement.

I thought that Hamilton did the right thing when he obviously slowed to allow Kimi to get back in the lead and thereafter went for a stunning drive to take the lead. He won the race in my opinion.

It is hard to believe that they took him back to 3rd.

Eddie, please update your website and add the Youtube links to the videos!

Ken

 

Meh, here's how I saw it...

- Lewis carries too much speed coming off of Blanchimont.
- Goes off course.
- Comes back on course in front of Räikkönen.
- Backs off throttle so that he is 6 kph (3.73 mph) slower than Räikkönen.
- Gets back on throttle and flies past Räikkönen.

Now that sounds sportsmanlike, eh? Harsh penalty or not, Hamilton's move was pretty tactless. Lewis was carrying entirely too much speed into the corner, and unlike most sportsmanlike drivers, he capitalized on the near-miss and essentially made up ground... and then flew past Räikkönen.

My $.02 though.



Go Heidfeld!!!