Ferrari's with intersting histories

Here's one I find interesting:

http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/0818.275P.htm


This history leaves out the fact that there are two cars claiming to be 0818 and the case is currently before the courts.

 

It could never been the one that went through Classiche...

 

Look at that history carefully...reading in between the lines it seems the car may have been extensively rebuilt at some stage....

 

That's one reason this is a VERY interesting case.

 

I guessed that, its going to be interesting to see what way it goes, must pm you an interesting conversation a friend of mine had at the Classiche department.

 

One of the 79 512bb cars (now owned by a FC person was originally ownd by a guy who's daughter's viscous love triangle was the basis for the psyco chick film "Fatal Attraction".

The dad has some issues too and the feds chased his assets, including the boxer all over the place in a cat/mouse game.


I think that is kind of interesting.

 

Anytime you have a car worth multiple millions, especially race cars that were run, wrecked, rebuilt by the factory, run again, sold to privateers...you have a good chance of ownership and authenticity problems. The Phil Spector Shelby Daytona Coupe is one of those classic examples of problems after retiring from racing (because Spector is a nut), but there are plenty of Ferraris, Jaguars, Bentleys, Alfas...and even recently a high profile Auto Union with similar authenticity and ownership issues.

 

I agree and think that organisations that have no vested economic interest in the outcome of an investigation/authentication of a car such as FIVA are the way to go to resolve these issues.

 

But how do you go about that?

I remember a couple of years back TWO D-Types show up at a meeting with identical chassis numbers. Owner of one of the two purchased the other, made one car original and a second a replica. That's an exception, how do you resolve something like that if a car has basically been chopped in 2 (or the parts equally devided) and subsequently both halves get built up to complete cars?

 

Basically FIVA and it's many experts look at everything, inspect everything, question everyone and try to come to a decision.
Every case is different but the important thing is that FIVA's only interest is in the truth of it and insuring that the truth of it is fully disclosed. Scientific Process can determine what things are and what they are not.

FIVA's rulings and identity cars are recognized world wide.

http://www.fiva.org/Index_EN.htm

 

The Daytona from the movie "A Star Is Born" (Kris Kristofferson and Barbara Streisand). Is it true it was later converted to a NART Spyder?
I have read that somewhere, but can't remember hwere.

 

Napolis is right -- the only way to ensure complete authenticity is to have an organization that has no scratch in the game help. There are plenty of clubs for different car marques, but sadly, politics and economics often come into play in a viscious type of way. Keep in mind that calling one car "authentic" often devalues another car claimed to be authentic. If the owner of that other car is a big mucky-muck or important friend of a club, one might find a club or privately-run registry a wee bit unhelpful.

D-Types are one of the hardest car models to deal with, because (according to a friend of mine that has one) Jaguar -usually- brought each works car back to the factory after a race, dissasembled it and put it back together with an engine/trans, suspension that had already been rebuilt. The concept, then, of true numbers-matching (as the muscle car crowd would say) is (again 'usually') rather far-fetched. I would assume that any factory racer with significant series production would have similar issues.

Combining two cars to create a factory-correct vehicle is very common. About ten years ago a friend of mine sold the Duesenberg he had owned since the early 1960s to the person who had a Duesy with the his car's original engine.

Unfortunately, many owners have "found" the correct engine for their car. I know of one Hemi car that has drawn huge skepticism in terms of the authenticity of the found original engine. The engine was replaced back in the early70s -- almost when new, but the current owner claims he tracked down and bought the original engine, which was still at the original dealership. It might and could be true...it could also have been a restamp. (All it takes is a stamp kit, and one can make any serial number one wants.)

 

I actually did a full concours level detail/mini restoration on this particular Boxer which I documented here: http://truthindetailing.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=228