At the end of the day, the loss in resale value and the cost of butchering an FF (and I mean butchering) to make it RWD probably outweighs the cost of permanently fixing the PTU design flaw with the SS Autotech rebuild. And the PTU isn’t just good for the snow. It’s handy in wet conditions too. For those who really want RWD only, Ferrari has them covered with the Lusso T
I bet this has already been covered somewhere. Is the PTU flaw more/equal/less prevalent on the Lusso? Thanks Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
There are more reports of PTU failures for the FF but that’s logical as the FF has been in service longer. The PTU in the Lusso is the same as the one in the FF so it has the same design flaw but it benefited from uprated cooling which allowed Ferrari to put even more torque through it. So what was gained from better cooling might be lost from higher stress (torque) going through it.
About as permanent as anything mechanical can be. AFAIK, none of the modified units have failed whereas there are reports on FChat of rebuilt (but unmodified) units failing after rebuild.
I think the PTU has to be considered one of those known issues in the Ferrari world. Nearly every Ferrari model has them. I had a 355 and they were known for header and valve guide issues. the 430 had header issues, the 458 DCT issues and ALL Ferrari's have sticky button problems. I could go on but I think you see the trend. The newer solutions for the PTU have brought the price point down to the point that it's manageable and multiple solutions are available. Just know that you may have to set aside $15k to $18K to repair the PTU once or twice during its life. Just part of the journey but what a fun journey it is.
Still a sad state of affairs." We build engines, Gearboxes," With all there boasting of technical excellence they can’t build a troubled free PTU or DCT, The sticky issue is just plain arrogance. Fun for sure but guys we’re talking about FERRARI here.
I agree with both of these sentiments. Have owned two FF’s and currently use one as a DD. But it’s pathetic that aftermarket firms can (possibly) improve the PTU design but Ferrari couldn’t care less. I will keep and treasure our Pista, 812SF, and FF but I’m done buying any new Ferraris due to their arrogance and lack of commitment to their customers. IMHO, Ferrari should place real value on customers who buy and hold cars for years or decades in addition to treasuring serial buyers who constantly upgrade to the next model. Both groups are important long-term to the brand.
My FF build sheet was $400.000, BMW or any other company issues is not what Ferrari should be judged by, My car when I purchased it was 2 years old garage kept I had to deal with sticky issues immediately. RR, Bentley, Lexus have not had these issues.
Me too, an i had my ptu and dct replaced already and all i kept thinking was there was much more work the dealer shld have done.
Mine has always been looked after by Ferrari FtLauderdale, do I trust them of course not but in South Florida not much option, But all the blame should lay at the door of Ferrari not owning there design issues.
Not me. Fact is, there is nothing like an FF (or GTC4) on the road. Does it warrant extra care and a sizable pocket for things like the PTU, just in case? Sure, but this is already priced in at 100-150k for what you get.
100% agree, a magnificent obsession with me, But PTU/DCT dealership repair combined is $85.000 for a basic design flaw.
That’s replacement rather than repair. And I appreciate that in the early days, that’s all Ferrari did. But, for a while now, the repaid kits run to c.30k of your American dollars, front and rear, installed at a main dealer (cheaper elsewhere in the world as we don’t have your rapacious labour rates). And yes, they shouldn’t have failed early from the design flaws and Ferrari should have owned the problem but there are 13 year old cars out there which are still on their original PTUs and DCTs. At the end of the day, nothing lasts forever and soon they too will need sensors and seals replaced. It has always been a matter of ‘when’ rather than ‘if’.
Lusso's PTU has better cooling, and the oil pressure has also be lowered, putting less stress on the internals. Overall Lussos seem to be much less subject to the issue than FFs.
Not if you watch the video - in fact local NY dealers have noticed lussos come in earlier and with less miles than FF for ptu issue.
Looks like the alternate way into FF ownership is to find one this Hollywood guy has done a clean sweep of.
